Poll question: True or false?

[ok doser]

Achieve- to get or attain as the result of exertion

vs


Tit 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Tit 3:6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
Tit 3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

sin- harmartia- missing the mark

:think:

... Bid them achieve me and then sell my bones.

 

[Mocking You]

Jesus says "if you love Me, keep My commands".

Loving Jesus is the condition of salvation.

Without loving Him, there is no salvation.

You've got it backwards. There is no loving Jesus without salvation.

Loving Jesus is a result of salvation, not a condition.

John 3:19-20 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed.

36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.

 

[Mocking You]

so typical.

Why, thank you. Providing Biblical reasons for my beliefs IS typical. You, not so much.

 

[ok doser]

You've got it backwards. There is no loving Jesus without salvation.

Loving Jesus is a result of salvation, not a condition.

John 3:19-20 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed.

36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.

how many times is one allowed to reject the Son?

 

[Mocking You]

how many times is one allowed to reject the Son?

Not answering you because you are in my killfile under your old name, Resodko, and I'm on Tapatalk so I can't update my Ignore list just now.

 

[musterion]

Your reasoning is just sleazy.

Do you strive to obey Jesus' teachings? All of them?

You were asked to vote before posting. Please do so now.

 

[musterion]

Not answering you because you are in my killfile under your old name, Resodko, and I'm on Tapatalk so I can't update my Ignore list just now.

Please quote what I just posted so Meshak will see it? She has me on Ignore, I think. Thanks...

 

[Mocking You]

You were asked to vote before posting. Please do so now.

Musterion, I'm on my phone so I can't cast a vote but I would vote "True" if I were on my PC.

 

[Mocking You]

Your reasoning is just sleazy.

Do you strive to obey Jesus' teachings? All of them?

Of course. Show me where Jesus commands that keeping his commandments is how someone achieves eternal life. Because I can go on and on showing scriptures where repentance and/or belief is what is needed.

 

[Mocking You]

You were asked to vote before posting. Please do so now.

Meshak, have you voted? The OP is requesting that you do so.

 

[patrick jane]

This pole is incomplete.

the festivus pole ?

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btw, it's a poll, not a pole

 

[Mocking You]

No I did not because it was incomplete poll.

I am for obeying Jesus is requirement for salvation.

This is biblical.

Where is this found in the Bible?

 

[Mocking You]

No I did not because it was incomplete poll.

The poll is what the OP wanted it to be. The conditions for participating in the thread were clear.

Are you going to vote and keep on posting, or are you going to ignore voting, continue posting and risk being kicked off the thread?

 

[Mocking You]

Ok, I knew you did not know that. I will bring it up for you.

I have done this many times but have been ignored by most Christians like you.

OK, if you've done it many times it should be easy to do one more time.

 

[Danoh]

Where is this found in the Bible?

On that nightstand. You know, that bowl filled with battery acid, one places one's brain in before opening one's Bible... while eating raw :spam:

 

[Nick M]

Your caveat refutes everything that came before it and makes your vote a lie.

Welcome to TOL.

 

[Mocking You]

Those verses all say those who are already in Christ will keep His commandments. There is no If-Then statement, eg. IF you keep my commandments THEN you will have eternal life. Those verses are saying BECAUSE you have eternal life you will keep my commandments.

The verses from Matthew 19 deals with the Jewish people keeping the commandments. The person asking Jesus was a Jew and the new Covenant had not yet been established (Jesus had not yet died and been resurrected) so the law was still applicable. Besides, if you are going to believe verses 16-19 you must also accept verse 21--go and sell all you have and give it to the poor. Have you done that?

Here is the way of salvation:

John 3:18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Luke 13:5 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.”

John 20.31 but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.

Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.

 

[musterion]

Welcome to TOL.

Thanks. Don't I get a bouquet or key to the city or sumthin?

 

[musterion]

Mods,

I will bow out and make new thread relating this topic.

thank you.

If you'd vote you wouldn't have to leave.

 

[turbosixx]

Wow. We have our first positive False. Very bold and honest of you Turbo, it's exactly what some of us pegged you for back when you first arrived.

I'd be worried if you knew what you were talking about.