Planned Parenthood caught selling body parts of aborted babies

[Rusha]

Then they should be excluded from the discussion completely. Right?

Nope. Men are fathers even though the situation isn't physically equivalent.

 

[Sancocho]

Talking about manipulative behaviour, you are aware that the western Christian church taught that abortion was not murder between the 5th and 16th centuries? St. Augustine, St. Jerome, Theodore, Pope Innocent III, Pope Gregory XIV and St. Thomas Aquinas all said that killing an unanimated foetus was not murder.

You are arguing, in effect, that 'liberals' want a return to common Christian though of the middle ages, not they are anti-Christian in their outlook.

That would seem to support your argument. What happened after that? Or maybe that no longer supports your argument??

BTW, St. Augustine was no scientist so his scientific theories need to be taken in context. You can read this article if interested "Modern Look at Abortion Not Same as St. Augustine's"

 

[gcthomas]

Men do not know what pregnancy is.

Oh. Genius.

I new there was something funny about that bump. Are you saying the stork didn't bring my children?

 

[jeffblue101]

Because some guy said so? Not only that, but the reimbursement also covers things like staff time and supplies required.
Surely you're not arguing that there's absolutely no cost to PP for this?

Simply, wow! you should work as a lawyer for PP. Your ability to create fictious expenses that PP would incur would come in handy during congressional investigation. Here a are a few suggestions, a chair and the rental of that space for the chair to accommdate the stem express collecter

 

[aikido7]

News: Babies are murdered and their parts sold.
Liberals: It's OK, the murderers agreed to the deal.

Old News: a hysterical fixation on the unborn prevents acknowledging the unborn once they are born.

We have a great moral epic in our tradition about caring for others and systemically getting rid of injustice that causes poverty.

Sinai and Exodus are still narratives for the modern world. And the people of the Bible were intent on changing society in fundamental ways to include all people.

 

[Jose Fly]

Your ability to create fictious expenses that PP would incur would come in handy during congressional investigation. Here a are a few suggestions, a chair and the rental of that space for the chair to accommdate the stem express collecter

So you really are taking the position that there's absolutely no expense to PP to collect and prepare the tissues and organs for medical research. No staff time or equipment needed.

I guess you think the tissues and organs just pop out all ready to go! :rotfl:

 

[Sancocho]

Old News: a hysterical fixation on the unborn prevents acknowledging the unborn once they are born.

There is no evidence to support this claim.

 

[jeffblue101]

So you really are taking the position that there's absolutely no expense to PP to collect and prepare the tissues and organs for medical research. No staff time or equipment needed.

I guess you think the tissues and organs just pop out all ready to go! :rotfl:

Staff time is a joke, what are they getting paid 100 dollars extra per hour? Forcreps and ultrasound that they already owned. Honestly much extra is a collection bin certainly not thousands of dollars per year assuming the bin is not provided by stem express already.

 

[gcthomas]

BTW, St. Augustine was no scientist so his scientific theories need to be taken in context. You can read this article if interested "Modern Look at Abortion Not Same as St. Augustine's"

There is no scientific theory for what counts as a person for the purposes of abortion ethics, although science can illuminate issues.

(I looked at the article you suggested, thanks. But there is no science in the article, and no reference to scientific theories. Just a paen to an anti-abortion video.)

 

[Jose Fly]

Staff time is a joke, what are they getting paid 100 dollars extra per hour? Forcreps and ultrasound that they already owned. Honestly much extra is a collection bin certainly not thousands of dollars per year assuming the bin is not provided by stem express already.

You really have no clue what all is involved in these procedures, do you?

 

[jeffblue101]

You really have no clue what all is involved in these procedures, do you?

the baby dismemberment business isn't something that I can stomach reading up on. Secondly the discussion in the video itself does not give a picture of much added time just using dismemberment tools in a different manner to acquire the valuable baby parts.

 

[Sancocho]

There is no scientific theory for what counts as a person for the purposes of abortion ethics, although science can illuminate issues.

(I looked at the article you suggested, thanks. But there is no science in the article, and no reference to scientific theories. Just a paen to an anti-abortion video.)

You are confused. Science states a human life is created at conception. Human law doesn't address whether a person has a soul or not in order to grant them rights but rather is only based on their recognition as a human being.

 

[Jose Fly]

the baby dismemberment business isn't something that I can stomach reading up on. Secondly the disuccion in the video itself does not give a picture of much added time just using dismemberment tools in a different manner acquire the valuable baby parts.

So that's a "No, I have no idea".

Thanks.

 

[jeffblue101]

So that's a "No, I have no idea".

Thanks.

Do you? Can you name and quantify all the added supplies and the amount of extra staff time needed for baby parts collection minus the amount they received so it all comes out to zero. Or are you just a foot soldier for PP that uncritically accepts whatever they tell you.

 

[republicanchick]

I found this article below very informative on why A PP abortionist would continue to perform a partial birth abortion despite the legal risks associated with it.

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the article uses the term "mother"

r u a "mothr" when you kill your child?




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[Jose Fly]

Do you? Can you name and quantify all the added supplies and the amount of extra staff time needed for baby parts collection minus the amount they received so it all comes out to zero. Or are you just a foot soldier for PP that uncritically accepts whatever they tell you.

I do have some experience in acquiring, preparing, packaging, and shipping biological samples, and there's absolutely no doubt that it ain't free.

Frankly, I'm surprised at how low PP's rates are.

 

[gcthomas]

You are confused. Science states a human life is created at conception. Human law doesn't address whether a person has a soul or not in order to grant them rights but rather is only based on their recognition as a human being.

A human perhaps, depending on how you define that. But a human being implies a person. I think that persons must have personality, the property of a person by definition.

Science most definitely rules out personalities in early foetuses.

 

[jeffblue101]

I do have some experience in acquiring, preparing, packaging, and shipping biological samples, and there's absolutely no doubt that it ain't free.

Frankly, I'm surprised at how low PP's rates are.

Again PP doesn't package nor does it ship. I highly doubt its legal to get paid for what happens during he abortion as the law sates that nothing can change in the method so charging for a change is going to be illegal.

 

[jeffblue101]

More to come.
http://www.lifenews.com/2015/07/16/...ing-abort-baby-body-parts-expected-next-week/

The President of Operation Rescue, Troy Newman, said that they have more undercover videos about Planned Parenthood’s abortion business they plan on releasing in the coming weeks. In fact, the group plans to drop another shocking video sometime next week. Newman worked as a consultant for the Center for Medical Progress on their three-year investigation into Planned Parenthood.

Newman told the Boston Herald the following about the videos: “We have thousands upon thousands of hours of video and notes, and this is the first piece that we’re going to release. Whatever lies Planned Parenthood used to cover this up to try and justify what they do, we’ve got the evidence to prove they’re lying and they’re breaking the law.”

Newman also said that they have pro-lifers “embedded” in Planned Parenthood’s organization that feed them information. He said, “We’ve gone to their meetings. We built relationships within the abortion industry.”...
David Daleiden, the founder of the group Center for Medical Progress told CBS News, “Planned Parenthood is still receiving $50, $75, sometimes $100 per specimen per fetal part. So all of that is just straight up profit that goes to their bottom line.”

Although there are many questions left unanswered, regardless of the legality of their sales, the fact that Planned Parenthood caters procedures for organ harvesting questions their true intent. Dr. Arther Caplain from NYU’s Langone Medical Center said, “You’ve got to be sure that it’s the patient, the woman who is at the center of your concern and nothing else is diverting from that. Supplying fetal tissue from the remains to third parties is diverting. I would not do it.”

 

[fool]

I do have some experience in acquiring, preparing, packaging, and shipping biological samples, and there's absolutely no doubt that it ain't free.

Frankly, I'm surprised at how low PP's rates are.

So in other words it's just like I said a couple of pages back, "the dead baby is free, we just charge for the shipping and handling."