On Deservedness
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If you're going to assign blame then the person is 100% to blame. Who else could even potentially get it? :idunno: But I wouldn't say they deserve to be struck by lightning.
ok, and I wouldn't use that label for what you're describing (in two of the cases, if you break the law then you have earned the punishment).
ok doser
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i was chewing on this last night
i would say that they deserved to get struck by lightning
i would not say that they deserved the consequences of getting struck by lightning - death, permanent disability, etc
still chewing on it :chew:
ClimateSanity
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Isn't it lovely to have your words picked over and have their meaning decided for you?
ok doser
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likewise, I would say that certain circumstances exist in which a woman deserves to be raped, in that she had earned it by her actions
but i would hesitate to say that she deserves the emotional and psychological effects that might come with it
still chewing :chew:
but i would hesitate to say that she deserves the emotional and psychological effects that might come with it
still chewing :chew:
I disagree, I think all have taken hard sides on this, refuse to listen to others at all, even though both have some valid points...it is an argument not a discussion. That is why I will not get caught in the crossfire of a bunch of angry people exchanging fire at each other, it is pointless.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
saves me a lot of work, trying to figure out what i had meant :thumb:
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
Cmon dude! you start a thread titled "Deservedness" meaning "deserved it", "had it coming to ya", "your fault" and you expect that not to get interpreted just as you wrote it? Again, where are you going with this?
ok doser
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well, just as I would answer "yes" to all the scenarios in the OP, i believe that in some cases the rape victim has earned it by her (or his) actions
No, at this point I just think you are finding some enjoyment in watching the fireworks of people tearing each other apart...the cleanup after the show could be a problem for you though.
ok doser
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I don't think this has anything to do with Town...just an observation.
ok doser
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look at who's confronting me
anna bybee artie rusha zoo
anna and bybee have already explicitly blamed me for his leaving
glorydaz
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It's what I saw. From the very moment I dared to say the only scenario I could find where the victim had some fault of HER OWN was the stripper at a frat party. Even then I made it clear the rapist had his OWN fault and guilt. I even told you then that we weren't as far apart as you might think.
BECAUSE you all have since admitted that there are consequences for one's own behavior. Then the muddying of the waters began in earnest.
Not sure that the consequences can be broken off like that. :idunno:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/deservedness
adjective
1.
justly or rightly earned; merited:
What has been said and agreed with by some (who know who they are) is that rape victims deserve to get raped.
Now, it will be claimed "only some rape victims" deserve to be raped.
Again, no mention of the RAPISTS pretty well indicates that those who put ALL of their energy into lashing out at rape victims sympathize and applaud the rapists.
Those same rapists are the ones who will become more bold and rape anyone in their path. Women, children, senior citizen, toddlers.
By this line of reasoning (which I do not endorse), a child who talks to a stranger deserves whatever happens to them.
A man who isn't aware that he has a flat and drives anyways, deserves to die in a head-on collision.
Men who are hanging out in in public spots hoping to pick up on women deserves to be drugged, robbed, beaten ... and anything else that happens to them.
A homeowner who forgets to lock a window or door, deserves whatever happens to them should someone break in.
That pretty much defines deservedness if the standard was consistent.
However, it isn't. Rape has been specifically singled out because MOST of the victims are women. To tell a man no would indicate that women actually have the authority to rule over a man in regards to her OWN body insofar as the choice to refuse sex.
No one is protesting to men and women making responsible choices, but rather the glee a few have taken in the effort to spit on victims.
adjective
1.
justly or rightly earned; merited:
What has been said and agreed with by some (who know who they are) is that rape victims deserve to get raped.
Now, it will be claimed "only some rape victims" deserve to be raped.
Again, no mention of the RAPISTS pretty well indicates that those who put ALL of their energy into lashing out at rape victims sympathize and applaud the rapists.
Those same rapists are the ones who will become more bold and rape anyone in their path. Women, children, senior citizen, toddlers.
By this line of reasoning (which I do not endorse), a child who talks to a stranger deserves whatever happens to them.
A man who isn't aware that he has a flat and drives anyways, deserves to die in a head-on collision.
Men who are hanging out in in public spots hoping to pick up on women deserves to be drugged, robbed, beaten ... and anything else that happens to them.
A homeowner who forgets to lock a window or door, deserves whatever happens to them should someone break in.
That pretty much defines deservedness if the standard was consistent.
However, it isn't. Rape has been specifically singled out because MOST of the victims are women. To tell a man no would indicate that women actually have the authority to rule over a man in regards to her OWN body insofar as the choice to refuse sex.
No one is protesting to men and women making responsible choices, but rather the glee a few have taken in the effort to spit on victims.
That is something I am not up to speed on, nor do I believe that it has anything to do with the current war being waged on this board. You go ahead and do what you feel is right going forward, I am going back to the politics forum and I don't intend to comment on this subject matter further, I don't see any fruit being borne from it. Happy Thanksgiving...
glorydaz
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They blame you, of course, and you deserve some of that blame. You were horrible to Town. I'm pretty sure I've made that clear to you before this "rape" issue even came up. But, that gives them no excuse for this fiasco that has ensued. Knight even came on and commented how we used to be able to have discussions without all this drama.
You have made some excellent points (unlike your "coward" thread), and I made the mistake of agreeing with those point.
If I'd have jumped on the old "blame Res" bankwagon, I'd be sitting in tall cotton getting the high five from all those who now count me a despicable cold-hearted poor excuse for a woman.
It's a good thing this isn't my first rodeo. I might be a bit upset.
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