On Deservedness

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ok doser

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You need to stop letting a bunch of God-hating liberals redefine your vocabulary.

you prolly missed this, but i'm a student on a liberal campus that's in the midst of a rape awareness campaign

i'm also taking a couple of classes that cover rape and women's issues and the feminist perspective
 

patrick jane

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you prolly missed this, but i'm a student on a liberal campus that's in the midst of a rape awareness campaign

i'm also taking a couple of classes that cover rape and women's issues and the feminist perspective

So you have rape on the brain. You are living and breathing rape everyday. Maybe you can get extra credit for your threads ?
 

ClimateSanity

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So you have rape on the brain. You are living and breathing rape everyday. Maybe you can get extra credit for your threads ?

He has to discuss it here. If he tells what he really thinks on campus, he will have hell to pay. Diversity on college means skin color and ethnicity. There is zero tolerance for diversity of opinion when it comes to their sacred cows.
 

kmoney

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The man is at fault for raping the stripper. No question about it.

Stripping is morally wrong. You admitted that. The woman is at fault for her "bad behavior". No question about it.

How is it the stripper suddenly becomes an innocent victim with no fault?
I think you are combining things that shouldn't be combined. Stripping is wrong but it has nothing to do with the rape. And before you say it, I realize that you could draw a connection because the stripping may turn the guy on, the guy might not have noticed the girl at all if it weren't for the stripping, the stripping may be why the guys thinks the girl might be game for some activity. So that connection exists. But that means nothing for the actual rape. The second the girl says "NO" and the guy continues then it's on him. Any prior behavior is irrelevant. If you want to condemn the girl for stripping, fine, but any moral fault she has in that matters not for the guy who raped her.


KM, you seem to be giving contradictory answers here. You recognise that the person who got out of the car was being stupid and was at fault when there was no one else to blame (that's what you said) but as soon as there is someone else to blame all of a sudden the person who got out of the car is no longer at fault for anything. This seems a contradictory position. How do you account for it? In my question above quoted, I asked you about the person who got out of the car but you sidestepped the question and answered with respect to the lions. I was not asking about the lions. Once again, please answer the question, you seem to be going out of your way to avoid answering it.
I don't think it's contradictory. In your first scenario there was only one candidate for fault if you are going to assign any: The victim who got out of his car. Once you change the scenario to include a being capable of moral decisions then it completely changes. The person is still foolish for getting out of the car and they would still be at fault for that if you want to assign fault, but there's no diminishing the fault on the lion for the attack. If punishment is doled out then it's not a percentage of the full punishment because the person got out of the car. Still full punishment. No one makes the moral lion attack. No one makes a guy rape.

And I thought I answered all your questions. If you can point me to what I didn't answer then I can look at it.

EDIT: Just noticed this:


which more or less asks the sme question.
Response above.
 

glorydaz

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I think you are combining things that shouldn't be combined. Stripping is wrong but it has nothing to do with the rape. And before you say it, I realize that you could draw a connection because the stripping may turn the guy on, the guy might not have noticed the girl at all if it weren't for the stripping, the stripping may be why the guys thinks the girl might be game for some activity. So that connection exists. But that means nothing for the actual rape. The second the girl says "NO" and the guy continues then it's on him. Any prior behavior is irrelevant. If you want to condemn the girl for stripping, fine, but any moral fault she has in that matters not for the guy who raped her.

Well, it isn't that I want to condemn her, although that's certainly been the charge that's being made. :chuckle:

I'm talking about people being accountable for their bad behavior. There are NO INNOCENT victims in the above scenario. Most rape victims are innocent....but not all are innocent. Pretty simple.

And I agree with what you've written. I've never once said two wrong doers share the guilt. The man is totally guilty for raping the stripper. The stripper is totally guilty for her immoral behavior....which you lined out quite well above, by the way.

There is plenty of guilt to go around.....they don't need to share it. Her bad behavior could have dire consequences just as his could (and should). Her consequences COULD be even worse than rape if the rapist decides he doesn't want to leave any witnesses to cry rape. He could strangle her and dismember her and stick her in a dumpster. Do I WANT that to happen? Of course not. Only the ignorant liberal loons would make that claim. They thrive on feeding their over active imaginations..... :sigh:
 

patrick jane

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Well, it isn't that I want to condemn her, although that's certainly been the charge that's being made. :chuckle:

I'm talking about people being accountable for their bad behavior. There are NO INNOCENT victims in the above scenario. Most rape victims are innocent....but not all are innocent. Pretty simple.

And I agree with what you've written. I've never once said two wrong doers share the guilt. The man is totally guilty for raping the stripper. The stripper is totally guilty for her immoral behavior....which you lined out quite well above, by the way.

There is plenty of guilt to go around.....they don't need to share it. Her bad behavior could have dire consequences just as his could (and should). Her consequences COULD be even worse than rape if the rapist decides he doesn't want to leave any witnesses to cry rape. He could strangle her and dismember her and stick her in a dumpster. Do I WANT that to happen? Of course not. Only the ignorant liberal loons would make that claim. They thrive on feeding their over active imaginations..... :sigh:


The scenarios are getting scary.
 

Crucible

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How is it they have not permanently banned you from campus?

Well that would be something they would do. Feminists love phrases like 'kill yourself' or 'go far away' when you don't agree with them, so no doubt it wouldn't be surprising if, given the authority, they would ban someone.

Have 'rape awareness' is basically just an excuse for women to be adored and worshiped for a little while.
Everyone is aware of rape.




Anyway, 'deserving' something and 'reaping what one sows' aren't necessarily synonymous.

The 'what goes around, comes around' form, for example, is where one is deserving what they get. But having been raped from being promiscuous and careless- that is simply reaping what one sowed. Blame the transgressor, but blame yourself as well in that sort of circumstance.

That's whats ridiculous with this entire debate- there is no factoring of accountability period on the other end. That's just being childish.
 

ok doser

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That is to be expected on a thread that is specifically labeling rape with an title of "On Deservedness".

:freak:

(takes a peek at the OP)

nope - not a single mention of rape


you must be thinking of some other thread :idunno:
 

musterion

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Reports in online news outlets of a famous (I guess) male porn star who has been raping and abusing several female costars during porn shoots. It raises a couple questions, though for me deservedness isn't one.
 

ok doser

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rusha makes a bizarre claim:
That is to be expected on a thread that is specifically labeling rape with a title of "On Deservedness".

dozer responds:
:freak:

(takes a peek at the OP)

nope - not a single mention of rape


you must be thinking of some other thread :idunno:

artie stumbles in drunk and manages to peck out:
Your own links in your OP alluded to or specified rape or did you somehow forget?

You're really none too bright SOD...

:dunce:

sorry artie, i still don't see what rusha claimed, a thread that is specifically labeling rape with a title of "On Deservedness"


maybe when you sober up you can point it out to me :idunno:
 

ok doser

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What if a woman belongs to a nudist colony and the men are attacked by Lions, who's fault is it?

were they dropped out of airplanes to test them for morality first?

Reports in online news outlets of a famous (I guess) male porn star who has been raping and abusing several female costars during porn shoots. It raises a couple questions, though for me deservedness isn't one.

got just a wee bit of this on the cbc before i left this morning

not sure i want to google it
 

bybee

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rusha makes a bizarre claim:

dozer responds:

artie stumbles in drunk and manages to peck out:

sorry artie, i still don't see what rusha claimed, a thread that is specifically labeling rape with a title of "On Deservedness"


maybe when you sober up you can point it out to me :idunno:

And the dozer picks his teeth with his toes as he contemplates how best to demean those who disagree with him....
Of course he means no harm....
He means annihilation!
 

bybee

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Reports in online news outlets of a famous (I guess) male porn star who has been raping and abusing several female costars during porn shoots. It raises a couple questions, though for me deservedness isn't one.

I would advise you there are more wholesome things to view?
 
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