New Zealand gunmen kill 49 people at two mosques
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glorydaz
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Looks like New Zealand has more to worry about than it's gun laws.
Is this true [MENTION=4167]Stripe[/MENTION]?
https://israelunwired.com/islam-is-conquering-new-zealand-without-a-fight/
Is this true [MENTION=4167]Stripe[/MENTION]?
https://israelunwired.com/islam-is-conquering-new-zealand-without-a-fight/
What I've noted prior is that it doesn't appear to be the case. We have demonstrably lower rates of this in nations with those laws and measures. And they don't even go to another means, given the murder rates are similarly lower on the whole. It's not surprising, that when you make a thing easier you get more of it and when you make it harder you don't.
The certainly part is wrong without controlling variables you just can't assume to be present and optimal. First, you needed some unknown number of similarly armed people. Then those similarly armed people would have to be trained and proficient. They'd need a good bit of muscle memory in relation to firing under duress, to keep them from inadvertently killing innocent others as they tried to zero in on the actual shooter, while their bodies shook them with adrenaline. And, somehow, while being under fire and that biological response, they'd have to be able to distinguish between the bad man and others with those weapons trying to help, separate them from a second shooter, a recipe for all sorts of additional disaster.
Or, we can pass stronger gun laws and make the manufacture and sell of the weapons and instruments I'm speaking to illegal, while registering weapons and mandating safety courses, knowing that every nation that does that significantly reduces gun violence and deaths from the sort of absurd body count generating incidents that we find in a Port Arthur or the latest in a line of mass shootings with double digit victims.
We'll take that as a no.
It isn't necessary for you to keep posting this sort of thing, but there you go.
If you ban cars, people don't die in crashes.
But you won't explain yourself. :idunno:
Are you going to stick with your assertion and ignore the post-1996 incidents?
Law.
If nations would protect people by implementing the law correctly, that would negate the urge to have to ban everything.
Unfortunately, people don't know what the law is for.
I wouldn't buy into the conspiracy scenarios that might surround this sort of thinking. However, New Zealand doesn't have a strong sense of what their culture is and no mechanism to protect it. So it's easy for people to latch onto an incident and push an agenda.
The more you push this narrative, the more you are going to be asked to justify it with a rigorous analysis.
So far, we have your assertion and a clear expression that you want to elevate data points that fit your narrative and suppress others.
Seriously? This is what you consider a serious objection? People can't learn to use a gun, therefore they shouldn't have them.
Similarly, people can't learn to drive, therefore cars should be banned.
I'm still searching for the verse that instructs us bring a loaded gun along with our Bible when we worship God - apparently the early Christians were slackards when it came to "the right to bear arms!"
glorydaz
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The early Christians didn't have guns. :chuckle:
glorydaz
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Exactly, which is why gun free zones encourage mass shooting. Easier targets....
Could it be that instead of praying for the victims and then doing absolutely nothing to prevent this tragedy from repeating itself over and over again, New Zealand's politicians have actually considered what's in the best interests of their citizens - not just those of the gun lobby?
Yep. Reports say that the murderer was training with an eye on an overseas target. Then he thought: "Why not here?"
Clearly, fear of serious resistance was not on the list of answers.
You mean the NRA? The Muppets who think Kiwis do not have a right to self defense? That gun lobby?
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It would appear that based on the data, America would rank last in terms of its approach concerning guns in society that New Zealand would want to follow!
And if you ban trains and tall buildings, people won't throw themselves under or from them.
The graph clearly shows a strong correlation between the number of guns available per person and gun related deaths - an observation that gun supporters chose not to address!
Other nations have been able to manage the dilemmas posed by guns, trains and tall buildings far better than their American counterparts!
That's a strange response to an addressing of the graph. When a tool is banned, fewer people can kill themselves with it.
Good for you.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
80% of those gun deaths are black on black, related to drugs and gangs
if you were really interested in reducing those numbers, you'd push to ban gun ownership by any negro
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Idolater
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Why wouldn't you want to be prepared to defend your neighbor, whom you're supposed to love, if ever they are attacked by a murderer or rapist in your presence, when you're in a position to help them? You'd rather think something unjustifiable and wrong like, "Jesus doesn't tell us to pack heat?" :freak: