ECT Neither option in Eph 3:5 is D'ist
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Interplanner
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The mystery of eph 3 is not what Dispensationalism says; the whole OT knew that the nations were to come and be blessed. To be joint-heirs, in fellowship, in one group.
The mystery (and the force of the grammar) falls on the way or channel--it is 'through the Gospel' (and meaning as usual for Paul, not the Law). All the 'joining' takes place NOW and THROUGH THE GOSPEL.
Interplanner
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It was not that literal in eph 2-3 and is not to be thought of that literal for us today
I think the difficulty lies in when Ephesians says it happened.
What do you think dispensationalism says the mystery is?
Interplanner
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That the church would happen! The church is an after-thought, a plan B, an interjection no one knew was coming.
It is such bad thinking, it is surreal.
It is such bad thinking, it is surreal.
way 2 go
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don't see it :sherlock:
Damascusroad
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What is D'ism? Who is a D'ist?
Interplanner
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Just back up a page or two. D'ism = dispensational theology. The belief that there are two or more programs running in the bible as far as how God relates to mankind or parts of. Usually these are alternating--one is active while the other(s) are not. When its down to just two, its Israel and the Christian body
way 2 go
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we are currently discussing Mid Acts Dispensation
there several dispensations throughout the bible
but Mid Acts Dispensation is the current dispensation we are in
and often disputed but never refuted.
SaulToPaul 2
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Interplanner
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You haven't read the OP here.
The OP is that there is nothing in Eph 3:5-6 that 'helps' D'ism or MAD. Even if you don't see the grammatical force on 'through the Gospel' (the channel through which the unity of the Christian community exists), there is still no alternating or distinct pair of programs going on. Instead, the believers from the two groups are merged and unified! The BELIEVERS OF THE GOSPEL are unified, not the distinct ethnic groups, which God does not validate since the OC is done and gone.
Nang
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The MAD hatters always deal with truthful confrontations with a "yuck fest" rather than with answers. Because they have no answers that meet biblical scrutiny. They yuck, but it is only an attempt to cover up their shame.
SaulToPaul 2
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Silly woman, laden with sins...
Look harder.
lain: What I mean is that you are saying the change happened during the Acts period. After Paul was called then Peter was told about the change. And that is what we see in Acts. However, according to Ephesians this change happened on the cross. It was not a mid-Acts change.
Interplanner
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Look harder.
What I mean is that you are saying the change happened during the Acts period. After Paul was called then Peter was told about the change. And that is what we see in Acts. However, according to Ephesians this change happened on the cross. It was not a mid-Acts change.
Exactly.
way 2 go
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trueLook harder.
What I mean is that you are saying the change happened during the Acts period. After Paul was called then Peter was told about the change. And that is what we see in Acts.
:sherlock:
did Abram have righteousness credited to him with out works by faith? yes
did God go on from there and add a necessary work, circumcision? yes
:think:
Mat_15:24 But He answered and said, I am not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. the circumcision.
Did Israel repent? no
Did Jesus move on to the gentiles (faith without works) when the Jews
rejected him ? yes
with the cross it was always possible of saving gentiles through the Jews
now it is apart from the Jews.
can you show peter declaring gentiles
no longer enemies or clean
before this
Act 10:15 And the voice spoke to him again the second time, What God has made clean, you do not call common.
(credit NickM)
Interplanner
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But you're missing the obvious: Peter had to be corrected from that because it was already known (except his mistake) to be true! You have really missed it!
You are putting too much weight on 'not sent to the gentile dogs' when the point of that conversation anyway was that the non-Jewish woman had more faith! Missing the obvious again.
He did not move on to the gentiles without total contact with Jews and he used a core group. There were at least 221 Jewish missionaries by the time he left before Pentecost. (70 + 70 x 2 + 11 apostles). Look who's letters are the core material of the NT.
God is no longer A-B-A-B (or at least it appeared he was that way in the old covenant, didn't it). Rom 11:30 says everything happens in relation to Christ. All are bound in sin outside him. Any who believe are justified in him. That's the Israel that is saved.