One Eyed Jack
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I believe He chose to die for our sins.
But He did die.
Mean TOL members
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I believe He chose to die for our sins.
But He did die.
Now there is a question that makes sense and cries for another thread so that we can get back to talking about us TOL meanies
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14537
Aimiel
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Jesus certainly didn't accuse the woman of her sin, which is actually what He said, Himself; but also wouldn't have gone to the cross, unless it was necessary to do so. He did so because The Word says that the wages of sin is death; without the shedding of blood (loss of life) there is no forgiveness for sin. Jesus gave up His Blood (life) for ours, if we believe in Him, so that we don't have to die, and so that we can be forgiven of sin. We are not only forgiven of it, but The Lord looks upon us as if we have never sinned. It is only because we have believed in the substitutionary death of His Son in our place (on the cross) that He does so. Without that substitution (His Righteousness in exchange for our sin) we are sinners, lost, and God cannot allow us into His Presence. Nothing that defiles is allowed into Heaven.
Aimiel
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Jesus' life is His Own. He is not 'sold out' to sin, as men are. He never sinned, so death has no hold upon Him. He laid down His Life, or the Romans could never have killed Him. His disciples have been poisoned, stoned, beaten and boiled in oil without dying, because of The Life that is in Him being imparted to them. Dead have been raised by His disciples, in many generations. There is only one other account (that I remember) in the Scriptures of a similar occurence: Elisha's bones, where a man went into Elisha's tomb to seek shelter for his dead friend, and when the body was laid in the tomb, the dead one came back to life.
One Eyed Jack
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Killing Himself wasn't an option, although He did lay down His life, as Aimiel pointed out.
One Eyed Jack
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To fulfill prophecy.
Aimiel
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Beanie,
You don't seem to understand. Jesus is The Supreme Judge of The Universe. He has also been called: "The Lamb of God, Slain Before the Foundation of the Earth." If He deems someone worthy of forgiveness, then their sins are forgiven. Time and space are meaningless to The Lord. Because of this, the angels proclaimed, at Jesus' birth: "Peace on earth, goodwill towards men." The Son of God had not died yet, much less risen from the dead and then revealed the mystery of The Gospel to men. He had just been born. The Lord wants us to do good to our enemies. That doesn't include condoning his sin. It means we are to pray for them, that they might be drawn out of their sin, to the light. You're (apparently) observing what people say on this message board and thinking that you know everything that someone says and does by reading a few posts that have been written by them, and believing that you can then pass judgement on them, since they don't measure up to your standards. We don't measure up. None of us do. No one. Only Jesus was, is and always will be sinless. We aspire to being perfect, and The Lord is 'conforming' us to The Image of His Dear Son; but He isn't finished on us yet. Your critique of others is only belying your own 'shuffling' of your culpability for your own actions. You need to confess your sin to The Lord, repent of it and seek Jesus to give you His Forgiveness. Anything less than that and you're selling yourself short.
Christ was able to forgive sins before He died. He forgave some people's sins in His earthly life. But would they never sin again after that point in their lives? Not likely. And would Christ in a human body reach every person who would ever live and forgive all of their sins? No.
God's plan was that salvation be available to all.
So Christ died to pay the penalty of sin for all who would believe in Him and call on Him in faith for Salvation. This is the Grace that Paul speaks of, and by Grace through faith, He made it possible that all could be saved if they accepted Him as Savior, not just the select few lucky enough to meet Him in person.
Even 2000 years later, people are still being saved by His sacrifice.
Some are worthy to be forgiven? Hm.
On the contrary, I am simply pointing out the behavior.
I am not saying, "You are going to hell-ah!" No. I am simply pointing out some, well, nonBuddhist like beviour. Mistreating people, even if you claim it in the name of a deity, is still wrong.
I don't condemn these people. I just don't condone their behavior.
When I hear someone blindly following Enyart, who says that Love the Sinner, not the Sin, is not biblical, and therefore, one should hate the sinner and the sin, well, then I'm going to speak up.
I do review my shortcomings, and try to improve upon myself. It's just that I am seen as one sin, over and over. God doesn't see me as that. God loves me very much.
For all the obsession people have with YAHTZEE, you would think they would do a little research. But they don't. YAHTZEE is a good way to point to someone else and say, "YOU ARE A SINNER" and ignore your own. You can hang a label on me, and call yourself righteous.
It's a lie.
I'm not trying to disprove it.
That's is the paranoia of the christians on TOL.
I'm simply trying to understand it, from the POV of Christians. That ok?
I'm sure that someone will say :jump: You mean you are going to accept Jesus????
I'm reading about Hinduism, but I'm not converting there.
I simply have an open heart, and an open mind.
There are parts of Christianity that simply make no sense, and I'm trying to understand them.
I misread the question.One of the things I have been thinking about is:
Are the not "Nicer than God" crowd going to be bored in heaven?
If one spend their entire earthly life harshly judging others, name calling, quoting scripture to justify grisly murder of the enemy and bathing in the blood, what will you do in heaven?
You will have no one to mock, to rejoice over their suffering, to namecall...
Will you be bored?
Are the not "Nicer than God" crowd going to be bored in heaven?
If one spend their entire earthly life harshly judging others, name calling, quoting scripture to justify grisly murder of the enemy and bathing in the blood, what will you do in heaven?
You will have no one to mock, to rejoice over their suffering, to namecall...
Will you be bored?
Aimiel
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Have you never read the parable of the publican? He said, in his heart, "Thank You, God, that I am not like 'so-and-so'..." and he was in error. The one that Jesus called justified beat his breast saying, "Lord, have mercy on me, a sinner." That is why I don't condemn you, because you recognize that homosexuality is sin. If you didn't, you'd be just like the 'publican.' You're obviously searching for truth, or you wouldn't be here.
I don't agree with hating anyone, either. I don't believe that is what Jesus taught. You go right ahead and speak from the courage of your convictions, I admire that in anyone.
He does. He also loves you too much to leave you in your sin. He has a Plan of Salvation, and part of that Plan is to bring you out of your sin, not condemning you or ridiculing you. I don't believe that anyone can be ridiculed into salvation, which is why I try to avoid that tactic. I don't try to 'lure' anyone, either. I ask The Lord when to speak and when not to, and even what to say (though far too often I forget to do so, and speak my mind instead of His, and often get into trouble for doing so).