Mean TOL members
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On the one hand, you say the world will never believe God.
But you preach and say that you lead people to god.
Who are you leading, then, if not the lost, if not the world?
The ones who already believe?
You say that you have not been called self righteous by anyone who you think is a real Christian. That's convenient. If anyone questions you, suddenly, they are disqualified.
But you see Poly as a real christian?
Sibbie?
From my point, as a nonbeliever, I don't attack your views of religion and truth, but if you claim to be Christian, you can't contradict the Bible.
Aimiel
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Classic denial.
The queer persecution is so strong. One day, they're going to come down the street with torches, dressed in their sheets, and hang me. Oh my!!!
Classic denial.
If this were true, He would be more than a 'whatever' to you, by now.
Now you're comparing what you receive, persecution-wise, to that of The Lord. Puhhhleaze, get a clue!!!
So, do you believe that doesn't apply to you? Do you believe that someone who is healthy and has logical patterns of thinking, is well-grounded in reality and doesn't suffer from delusions has any queerness? If you do, you're vastly mistaken, not to mention deceived.
Classic denial.
You're definition (above) didn't say that was a symptom.
The ones you hear, you believe to be your own, is why you believe that you don't.
Then why are you not normal? Why be queer.
I live with it every day. I have a brother-in-law who is schizophrenic. He's a lot more open to The Truth than you are, too.
I like having mine pointed out, and will point out others if it is edifying.
When people act haughty, I usually point out their planks in similar manner.
By the measure you judge so shall you be judged, to me, means that you will not be judged by saying "this commit this sin and is bad," if you do it, but the approach. A plank and a speck are not the same thing.
If you judge quickly without mercy, others tend to treat you the same.
Aimiel
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The Lord. He is The Only One Who is right all the time. That's why we call Him The Righteous One. His Holiness is Perfect. I believe that the vengance spoken of is that of this earth. I don't believe that The Lord will 'seek revenge' upon men and torment them because they are lost and without Him. I believe that their judgement is deserved because they are sinners, and deserve to be judged for that sin. The only escape from certain doom is to believe in Jesus. I don't believe that The Lord could possibly observe those (His Children) who are relegated to The Lake of Fire, heading to their eternal torment without crying. He is an Emotional Being. Why do you think that we have emotions. Do you think that men invented them? It is because we are created in His Image and Likeness.
Aimiel
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Gee, I don't know. Maybe if you'd take that telephone pole out of your eye, you'd be able to see clearly enough to get this speck out of my eye for me. Could that be the case? Are you trying to say that because I believe that being homosexual is 'queer' and not normal, that I have the pole, and queerness is the speck? I'm sorry, but that is truly denial. I am not on trial here, and neither are you. We are merely in conversation about Kingdom principles. The lack of love in someone's heart is obvious, to most, if not all others, except the one without the love. What would you suggest to increase the exchange of love between Christians and non-Christians, on TOL?
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Oh give me a break! Grow a backbone for God already will ya? That post mocks beanieboy the way he now deserves to be mocked. He spits in the face of your God, adajos. Don't you take offense to that? He rejects your Savior, making it clear that he wants nothing to do with him. Even when people are nice to him, urging him to accept Christ, he simply says it's his choice to not accept him. He uses the bible to speak against Christians all the while claiming that he does not believe in it. He is the ultimate hypocrite. He says you shouldn't judge and then his posts are full of judging. He says you should be nice but is he?
Why would David make such a statement?
"The righteous rejoice when he seeth the vengeance. He will wash his feet in the blood of the wicked."
Because David took it personally when somebody blatently spoke against his God as beanieboy does. He was sick of seeing what the wicked did. We make God out to be a wimp when we don't let ones like this know that God will not stand for their evil and neither will we. My God is not a wimp and does not like for His people to make Him look like one.
We have a righteous, just, and awesome God who has done a profound thing in making a way for us to be justified with Him by offering a Son as a Sacrifice. I refuse to let somebody mock this, dragging the name of Christ through the dirt, the way that beanieboy does.
adajos
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Nineveh:
You didn't answer my question. When you go to the mall and see an unrepentant Muslim women there, do you call her all kinds of foul names and tell her how you'll rejoice when she rots in hell? A simple yes or no answer would be sufficient.
I get it from a combination of things. Number one, you defend Poly's bad behavior and attribute to her the nicest possible motives. Did you see the latest rant she posted with the picture of the "Gay Away"?
Number 2, you also use the derogatory terms for homosexuals, though not quite as frequently as Poly. That does not help your cause in witnessing.
Look, as I said, you don't behave nearly as badly towards him as does Poly. You also seem to sincerely care about him because you have also talked about God's grace. But the names you've called him and the defense of Poly undermines much of your witness. You want examples of your improper behavior towards beanie eh? Ok, here's a few:
Unnecessary rudeness and use of vulgar, demeaning terms:
Reading your own agenda into Bible verses so you don't have to concede that Christ's approach doesn't neatly fit into the "Truthsmacker" box:
Focusing on homosexuality as if it's the only sin that matters to you and the only sin in his life:
In general though, you say far fewer things that I take issue with than Poly does. And I do see good in your witness as well.
In short, I think my issues with your witness are the rude vulgarities and the complete defense of everything Poly has said. Also the seemingly inconsistent emphasis that is placed on reviling homosexuals compared to unrepentant sinners with different sins.
But I will admit, perhaps I have been unduly antagonistic towards you---I do think you are sincerely trying to help and that your heart is in the right place. I got that feeling after rereading some of your earlier posts. So I apologize if I have gone overboard. I did not get that feeling about Poly from rereading her posts.
ps. I had written up a long point-by-point response to your last major post. I'm not going to post it, it was starting to get too repetitive, fragmented, and hard to follow after we keep quoting each other over and over.
You didn't answer my question. When you go to the mall and see an unrepentant Muslim women there, do you call her all kinds of foul names and tell her how you'll rejoice when she rots in hell? A simple yes or no answer would be sufficient.
I get it from a combination of things. Number one, you defend Poly's bad behavior and attribute to her the nicest possible motives. Did you see the latest rant she posted with the picture of the "Gay Away"?
Number 2, you also use the derogatory terms for homosexuals, though not quite as frequently as Poly. That does not help your cause in witnessing.
Look, as I said, you don't behave nearly as badly towards him as does Poly. You also seem to sincerely care about him because you have also talked about God's grace. But the names you've called him and the defense of Poly undermines much of your witness. You want examples of your improper behavior towards beanie eh? Ok, here's a few:
Unnecessary rudeness and use of vulgar, demeaning terms:
Reading your own agenda into Bible verses so you don't have to concede that Christ's approach doesn't neatly fit into the "Truthsmacker" box:
Focusing on homosexuality as if it's the only sin that matters to you and the only sin in his life:
In general though, you say far fewer things that I take issue with than Poly does. And I do see good in your witness as well.
In short, I think my issues with your witness are the rude vulgarities and the complete defense of everything Poly has said. Also the seemingly inconsistent emphasis that is placed on reviling homosexuals compared to unrepentant sinners with different sins.
But I will admit, perhaps I have been unduly antagonistic towards you---I do think you are sincerely trying to help and that your heart is in the right place. I got that feeling after rereading some of your earlier posts. So I apologize if I have gone overboard. I did not get that feeling about Poly from rereading her posts.
ps. I had written up a long point-by-point response to your last major post. I'm not going to post it, it was starting to get too repetitive, fragmented, and hard to follow after we keep quoting each other over and over.
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adajos
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Actually he has been civil to those that have treated him with kindness.
Don't you realize that you would have rejected God too if it hadn't been for His grace? If you had been born in beanie's shoes you would probably react the same way that he does.
He ain't a wimp on sin. Nor am I. Where have I ever excused sin?
Neither does God want his followers to behave like a bullying, insulting junior-high student. "Gay Away"??!! How does that advance God's purposes?
The reason you get insults from him and the reason he says stuff that he knows will offend you is because you deliberately offend and revile him.
He hasn't responded to me or Chileice in that way. He hasn't mocked what we have said or mocked our beliefs or tried to pick us apart for inconsistencies.
Actually he has been civil to those that have treated him with kindness.
Don't you realize that you would have rejected God too if it hadn't been for His grace? If you had been born in beanie's shoes you would probably react the same way that he does.
He ain't a wimp on sin. Nor am I. Where have I ever excused sin?
Neither does God want his followers to behave like a bullying, insulting junior-high student. "Gay Away"??!! How does that advance God's purposes?
The reason you get insults from him and the reason he says stuff that he knows will offend you is because you deliberately offend and revile him.
He hasn't responded to me or Chileice in that way. He hasn't mocked what we have said or mocked our beliefs or tried to pick us apart for inconsistencies.
Do I have a telephone pole in my eye?
Possibly.
It's something that I should consider, and ask God about.
I accused you of nothing.
I simply asked a question.
For someone who claims to be innocent, you act really guilty.
what would I suggest to build bridges?
Humility is a good start.
Not attacking people because they are asking a question would help.
I was simply asking a question.
I'm not attacking you or judging you (note how defensive you are when you think I am).
It's just a question, dude.
Nineveh
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adjos
Speaking of not repsonding to questions, I'm still waiting to see an example of "how it's done" from you....
Is hertero a derogatory term? No, and I tend to believe "homo" is only because it is a shortend use of the word homosexual, which is perverse in and of itself. Trying to tack "pile of vomite" on me is a bit dishonest, I picked that term up replying to somone else. I used it in reply to them. You take issue with sodomite? Exactly what approved language may I use to even address a homo (second time I have asked)? What have you left but fag and queer?
I will explain once again why I do not take issue with people who are witnessing rightly to beanieboy:
Beacuse if I did they would not listen to me when I made a correct judgement about them.
You admit only at the bottom of your diatribe, that you are wrong.
I tend to believe you are not only wrong about me, but Poly as well.
I will however accept your apology.
Speaking of not repsonding to questions, I'm still waiting to see an example of "how it's done" from you....
Is hertero a derogatory term? No, and I tend to believe "homo" is only because it is a shortend use of the word homosexual, which is perverse in and of itself. Trying to tack "pile of vomite" on me is a bit dishonest, I picked that term up replying to somone else. I used it in reply to them. You take issue with sodomite? Exactly what approved language may I use to even address a homo (second time I have asked)? What have you left but fag and queer?
I will explain once again why I do not take issue with people who are witnessing rightly to beanieboy:
Beacuse if I did they would not listen to me when I made a correct judgement about them.
You admit only at the bottom of your diatribe, that you are wrong.
I tend to believe you are not only wrong about me, but Poly as well.
I will however accept your apology.