shagster01
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So plants that can get you high and increase fertility are ok.
Plants that can't get you hight but can be made into a nice rope and a million other things are not.
P.S. Cannabis does have a nice smell.
Marijuana legalization: LESS government?
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So plants that can get you high and increase fertility are ok.
Plants that can't get you hight but can be made into a nice rope and a million other things are not.
P.S. Cannabis does have a nice smell.
Again, the connection is with legalizing both at the federal level. Turn on your (sissy) vaporizer if it helps you think more clearly.
And rollercoasters and tomatoes.
It is classified by the Bible (which is the only book that holds authority with me) as a sinless beverage, UNLESS it is used for intoxicating reasons.
whitestone
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and in songs of Solomon 7;13,,,,,,,,
shagster01
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So you would be fine legalizing hemp as long as marijuana isn't included?
So far the only reason you've given me that you are opposed to hemp is that Ron Paul supports it.
Like John 2:1-11
How does the Bible classify non-intoxicating plants such as hemp?
whitestone
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your asking us to agree with your terms instead of gods terms,,,and I've given you 2 scriptures "in the bible",,,and in genesis the context of the scripture is in the affect of "if you use them this way it is a sin but if you use them this way it is not",,,,,,,,and we are in fact discussing "recreational use" in an environment "at home",,where we are not endangering anyone.
it's the same example in gen. 30,,,that is if you use mandrake to take advantage of someone else "thats a sin",,so if they smoke pot and drive down the road and kill our children well,,"thats a sin",,that is they decided to murder our children when they made the decision to "drive while intoxicated",,,(on anything),,,
whitestone
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ok i get your thinking reading all you have supplied,,
You mean like in colonial times when our nation consisted of "a moral and religious people"?
Yes.
You already implied that Jesus Christ, the Son of God/God in the flesh purposely intoxicated people earlier in the thread.
Don't go there again doper, as blasphemy is taken seriously around here.
(Dope is bad for the memory, shag is living proof).
shagster01
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Yeah, slave owners who killed the natives and anyone accused of witchcraft. Those were the good ol' moral and religious days.
I'm not John.
If quoting scripture is blasphemy there are some people here in serious trouble. I never said what Jesus did was a sin. You did.
I don't think it is though.
Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
You mean like in colonial times when our nation consisted of "a moral and religious people"?
Yes.
Yep, back in the days before the 6 foot long water pipe was invented.
This guy aint no sissy vaporizer doper, he smokes his pot like a man!
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
You mean like in colonial times when our nation consisted of "a moral and religious people"?
Yes.
Yep, back in the days before the 6 foot long water pipe was invented.
This guy aint no sissy vaporizer doper, he smokes his pot like a man!
gcthomas
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Did you know that hemp pollen can travel 12 km, and would pollinate marijuana plants grown illegally, reducing the crop's potency by cross breeding? Still not in favour?
Did you know that perhaps 99% of the 'marijuana' plants destroyed by drugs agencies is really feral hemp, ditch weed? Think how much money could be saved by reducing such a large bureaucratic burden on the authorities!
Having less enforcement activity would mean LESS GOVERNMENT activity. Aren't you in favour now?
Come on, ACW. Quit objecting just because you don't like unrelated ideas of the people proposing the legislation change. Ante up now, act like a man. Come out of the closet on this.
Why don't YOU want industrial hemp plantations?
I did not know that!
I did not know that!
No (this I know).
Ummm...because dopers like you want them?
One question before I call it a night gc:
Why do dopers call their festivals "hempfests", if hemp is only for making ropes and such?
August 2009
Somewhere around 300,000 people converged on the Seattle waterfront Saturday and Sunday to attend the 19th annual Seattle Hempfest, the world's largest marijuana "protestival," as organizers like to call it. While organizers and drug reform advocates were out in force to encourage attendees to get involved in changing the marijuana laws, for most of the crowd, Hempfest was one big pot party. And that has some movement critics unhappy...
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2009/aug/21/feature_seattle_hempfest_bigger
And who would have thought that many people would come together just because they're interested in industrial hemp?
Why do dopers call their festivals "hempfests", if hemp is only for making ropes and such?
August 2009
Somewhere around 300,000 people converged on the Seattle waterfront Saturday and Sunday to attend the 19th annual Seattle Hempfest, the world's largest marijuana "protestival," as organizers like to call it. While organizers and drug reform advocates were out in force to encourage attendees to get involved in changing the marijuana laws, for most of the crowd, Hempfest was one big pot party. And that has some movement critics unhappy...
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2009/aug/21/feature_seattle_hempfest_bigger
And who would have thought that many people would come together just because they're interested in industrial hemp?
gcthomas
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shagster01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
You mean like in colonial times when our nation consisted of "a moral and religious people"?
Yes.
Yep, back in the days before the 6 foot long water pipe was invented.
This guy aint no sissy vaporizer doper, he smokes his pot like a man!
Yeah that bong is morally worse than slavery and genocide. :kookoo:
Did I ask you already if you're a dope smoker* gc?
*Includes using a sissy vaporizer.
You really don't want to got there doper, or I'll have to start talking about Libertarian policies that amount to nothing less than infanticide (56 million in a 41 year period).
Or I could talk about Libertarian policies that allow moral degenerates to not only marry, but hold positions of authority where they have influence over innocent children.
Or I could talk about Libertarian policies that are responsible for the multi billion porn industry, kiddy porn included.
I could go on, but I don't want you OD'ing on your sissy vaporizer because I've ruined your morning.
shagster01
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I didn't claim the country was ever "moral and religious." You did. I proved you wrong. You can bring that stuff up, but that doesn't take away the slavery and genocide from your "moral and religious colonial times" when hemp was ok to grow.
It's ok to admit you are wrong sometimes aCW. Go ahead and say you made a stupid point about moral and religious colonial times. Unless you really think that slavery and genocide really isn't as bad as smoking a little weed.
I'm starting to think that you really are pro-marijuana and you are just coming up with these stupid arguments to make the other side look bad. That's the only logical explanation.
I was using a quote from President John Adams:
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people..".
-President John Adams to the Officers of the First Brigade of the Third Division of the Militia of Massachusetts, 1798.1
"These words of President Adams remind us of what used to be a common idea–liberty entails responsibility, and absent religion (even with it, alas) many people will choose immorality and irresponsibility. President Washington said much the same thing in his “Farewell Address”: “Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. . . . And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion.”2 Because the American republic is a free republic, therefore, it was designed for a religious people. That is the proper context in which to understand Adams’ 1790 comment on the French Revolution, “I know not what to make of a republic of 30 million atheists.”3 By then Adams was already on record predicting the collapse of the French revolution..."
http://johnadamscenter.com/who-we-are/why-john-adams/
Because evil men have done evil things since God put man on this earth I was wrong?
Feel free to bump this thread and you can attempt to present the case that our Founding Fathers weren't really Christians nor was the society that they represented.
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78375&highlight=Founding+Fathers
gcthomas
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So you made a mistake over the hemp argument? Don't worry, we won't hold it against you much.
So, why DID you object to hemp being grown for fibre, as happened everywhere else in the world once they realised it was harmless?
Surely you approve of the withdrawal of federal enforcement agencies from a legitimate business?
So, why DID you object to hemp being grown for fibre, as happened everywhere else in the world once they realised it was harmless?
Surely you approve of the withdrawal of federal enforcement agencies from a legitimate business?