ECT madists and their gnostic gospel

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glorydaz said:
No, I actually believe that Jesus died for all my sins, because my faith is in His blood, not in my own obeying.
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Ephesians 1:7 KJV -

Romans 3:25 KJV -


propitiation is also known as expiation - EXPIATION (IN THE BIBLE) A blotting out or removal of sin; hence, the renewal of communion with God. The supreme act of expiation is Christ's death on the cross, the meaning of which is illuminated by a number of Old Testament themes.


http://www.encyclopedia.com/religion/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/expiation-bible
 
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God's Truth said:
Believe WHAT about his death, burial, an resurrection and how does faith in his blood justify?
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Are you serious? Believe that Jesus Christ was delivered for our sins (offences), and was raised for our justification....righteousness is accounted to us when we BELIEVE. This is the righteousness of faith that we keep talking about, and you keep denying.

Romans 4:24-25
24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.​

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;​

The reason you don't know this is because you keep running back to the other gospel....that which was good news for the Jews. Paul's Gospel is the Good News that gives eternal life. The GIFT OF GOD that you keep rejecting. :sigh:
 
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patrick jane said:
Ephesians 1:7 KJV -

Romans 3:25 KJV -


propitiation is also known as expiation - EXPIATION (IN THE BIBLE) A blotting out or removal of sin; hence, the renewal of communion with God. The supreme act of expiation is Christ's death on the cross, the meaning of which is illuminated by a number of Old Testament themes.


http://www.encyclopedia.com/religion/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/expiation-bible
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Yep. Faith in His blood is "Saved by Grace through faith", for the blood is God's Grace which we access by faith. I love the fact that our faith is in His blood....not in our own well doing or efforts.
 
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glorydaz said:
Are you serious? Believe that Jesus Christ was delivered for our sins (offences), and was raised for our justification....righteousness is accounted to us when we BELIEVE. This is the righteousness of faith that we keep talking about, and you keep denying.

Romans 4:24-25
24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.​

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;​

The reason you don't know this is because you keep running back to the other gospel....that which was good news for the Jews. Paul's Gospel is the Good News that gives eternal life. The GIFT OF GOD that you keep rejecting. :sigh:
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Oh I know, I am just trying to get you to see that you have to ask for forgiveness of sins you acknowledge.

You can't just say yeah I believe. You have to ask for forgiveness of the sins you acknowledge.
 
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andyc said:
I've done a thread like this before a long long time ago, and I'd never find it now, so I'll try and get the point over again.
It's time to psycho analyse the madists and their gospel.

To those who have become well acquainted with mad, what it teaches, and the people behind the message, you find out quickly that madists are paranoid about anything do with works (like Maynard G Krebbs from Dobie Gillis). You mention words like "work", "repentance" etc, and they freak out. To Christians who are not of the mad persuasion, it's easy to be confused how people can major so much in a message of grace, and yet be so graceless in their mannerisms. Right?

And so in this thread you're going to understand why this is, and how they really interpret grace, and why they're on a witch hunt for anyone mentioning anything about work, repentance, baptism, going to church, godliness, holiness etc

It all starts in the garden of Eden. God created Adam as a flesh being from the dust of the ground, and created him to have dominion over the natural physical earth. Man was subject to nothing and no one, except for one word of warning, to not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. As long as Adam and Eve abstain from the forbidden fruit, they could live a life pleasing themselves (the flesh life). God originally created us to please ourselves. Until Adam ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, he would be unable to be a slave to either. Adam was morally neutral, and therefore the fleshly man was free from moral obligation. There was nothing to rebel against, because there was no law in existence.

This is the madist interpretation of what it's like to be free from the law. It's not a freedom as a result of spiritual birth/regeneration, but rather they see it as a freedom from moral obligation, in order to neutralise the rebellious nature of the flesh.
It is human nature to rebel against moral restraint, hence the reason why the carnal mind is enmity with God.
And so if any kind of moral restraint is placed upon the flesh, the natural response is to lash out against it. This is why the law is contrary to us, because the commandments are spiritual, but man is natural/carnal.

Here's the problem. How can people be free to do what is right, without feeling condemned for having a nature that rebels against what is right?

What is the victory over the flesh / over the world?


1) Remove all forms of moral obligation in order to pacify the fleshly man with it's carnal appetites (mid acts dispensationalism / gnosticism).
2) Walk in the Spirit (Christianity)

You NEVER EVER hear madists talk about walking in the Spirit. You know why? Because they don't know what it means.
Walking in the Spirit is just a meaningless religious cliche to them. But if we relate to God in the Spirit through spiritual birth as sons, the law which was directed towards the natural man is rendered powerless. The nature of the Spirit is to be slaves of righteousness and hate what is wrong, but if people don't live in the Spirit, that nature doesn't exist.

Therefore, let's take something like water baptism for example, why do maddists hate it so much?
Because the bible supposedly says it's not for today? Of course not.
If they're in the flesh, water baptism is an obligation, and the flesh rebels against it by nature.

And so their interpretation of grace is the removal of all moral restraint upon the carnal man in order to try and pacify the flesh.
This is what they understand when they talk about the law being abolished. You can't rebel against a moral code that no longer exists - grace supposedly. You can't commit a sin act if there is no commandment to break. The flesh is free to please self, like Adam in the garden. But without being born again, they can't please God by walking in the Spirit.
This is also why they hate anything to do with faith, and all the gifts of the Spirit. A lot of evangelicals are cessationists because of their interpretation of scripture, but madists have an inner hatred against the gifts of the Spirit because people are obligated to seek the Lord and the gifts, which is not a problem if you walk in the Spirit, but impossible if you're in the flesh. So they lash out against it.

Once again I've blown the lid off mad so you can see their gnostic gospel, which is salvation by knowledge alone, that God has abolished the law so that you can please yourself. Then they remove most of the new testament because of those nasty verses telling us that we are obligated (BY WALKING IN THE SPIRIT) to live godly lives and be holy.
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Pro 4:1 Hear, ye children, the instruction of a father, and attend to know understanding.
Pro 4:2 For I give you good doctrine, forsake ye not my law.
Pro 4:3 For I was my father's son, tender and only beloved in the sight of my mother.
Pro 4:4 He taught me also, and said unto me, Let thine heart retain my words: keep my commandments, and live.
Pro 4:5 Get wisdom, get understanding: forget it not; neither decline from the words of my mouth.
Pro 4:6 Forsake her not, and she shall preserve thee: love her, and she shall keep thee.
Pro 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
Pro 4:8 Exalt her, and she shall promote thee: she shall bring thee to honour, when thou dost embrace her.
Pro 4:9 She shall give to thine head an ornament of grace: a crown of glory shall she deliver to thee.
Pro 4:10 Hear, O my son, and receive my sayings; and the years of thy life shall be many.
Pro 4:11 I have taught thee in the way of wisdom; I have led thee in right paths.
Pro 4:12 When thou goest, thy steps shall not be straitened; and when thou runnest, thou shalt not stumble.
Pro 4:13 Take fast hold of instruction; let her not go: keep her; for she is thy life.

Pro 4:18 But the path of the just is like the shining sun, That shines ever brighter unto the perfect day.
Pro 4:19 The way of the wicked is like darkness; They do not know what makes them stumble.
Pro 4:20 My son, give attention to my words; Incline your ear to my sayings.
Pro 4:21 Do not let them depart from your eyes; Keep them in the midst of your heart;
Pro 4:22 For they are life to those who find them, And health to all their flesh.
Pro 4:23 Keep your heart with all diligence, For out of it spring the issues of life.
Pro 4:24 Put away from you a deceitful mouth, And put perverse lips far from you.

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glorydaz said:
Yep. Faith in His blood is "Saved by Grace through faith", for the blood is God's Grace which we access by faith. I love the fact that our faith is in His blood....not in our own well doing or efforts.
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Faith that his blood washes away our sins, the sins that we are sorry for and repent of doing. You keep saying all we have to do is believe. Right, we have to believe, we have to believe that his blood washes away our sins, but if you do not even know what your sins are, then what kind of logic is it to just believe?
 
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Here is an example of the heart and mind of a person who has only believed that they are forgiven, but one who does not acknowledge their sins and repent of them:

Some people spend their life making excuses for their sins and so they don't really acknowledge their sins and are not really sorry for them. Some instance of that are let's say someone talks back to their parents in a disrespectful way, they don't acknowledge that as sin because they think they had every reason to talk back to their parents. So they were not really sorry for their sin. Another example is if someone fornicated with many women in their life, they might not admit to that being sin because they believe it was okay because they really loved those women they fornicated with, or they really thought they were going to marry them. That is not being sorry for their sin of fornication, because they are making excuses for their sin. Let's say someone was a thief and they would shoplift. They might not even acknowledge that as a sin and be sorry for it because they might make excuses for it and say well I was hungry so I stole the food, or say they were poor and needed something...Do you see how people must KNOW what their sins are, they must acknowledge the sins that they did as truly being sins and not do those sins anymore for any reason.

The madists say repent is not of sins, it is a change of mind about God. The truth is that repent is of our sins. Madists say all my sins are forgiven and I don’t have to think of what those sins are. The truth is that if you don’t acknowledge your sins you don’t know what they are and you are not sorry for them.

This is about life and no one should ignore, deny, or miss the truth by their false teachings. Acknowledge your sins, be sorry for them and repent. Repent or perish. Those are words from the Creator, and they are to be obeyed.

Psalm 32:5 Then I acknowledged my sin to you and did not cover up my iniquity. I said, "I will confess my transgressions to the LORD." And you forgave the guilt of my sin.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
 
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glorydaz said:
In the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ for the justification of those with faith in His blood. The Gospel of Grace....saved by grace through faith.
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Not for gt, she is following James the missionary to the 12 tribes scattered abroad going through tribulation, instead of Paul the missionary to the Gentiles who received first hand orders from the risen Lord Himself.
 
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God's Truth said:
So Jesus made a mistake when he told the Jews to obey?
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So, you, gt are confessing that you are a Jew in disguise and that is why you keep on boastfully saying that you OBEY ALL OF Jesus' commandments EXACTLY?

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You don't want to turn into a pillar of salt so you don't look back, but you looked back to Lot's wife?

Is that what selective reading and obeying means?
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No wonder you follow James the missionary to the 12 Tribes of Israel scattered abroad going through tribulation.
 
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God's Truth said:
No, you are not those people. Those cities don't exist on this earth anymore; and, you are not Timothy or Titus.
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You have so blinded yourself, gt, that you don't have any spiritual discernment at all even though you, gt, boast of being God's Truth.

You, did not ask if I was from Corinth, or from Galatia, or if I was Timothy, or if I was Titus, or if I was from Philipi. When did I say that I was from any of those cities or was Timothy or Titus.

No, you, gt, asked me if I was 'a' Corinthian, 'a' Galatian, 'a' Timothy, 'a' Titus, 'a' Philippian, which makes all the difference in the world and I will still have to continue asserting in the affirmative, even though knowing that that it will simply go over your comprehension.
 
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God's Truth said:
Take the time to look at your life. Start with where you are right now and then go back in time and think of everything that you did and thought that was sin. Go all the way back to as far as you can remember. It will do you good.
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ANYTHING that is NOT of faith, is sin.

You are asking me to abandon my faith in Jesus Christ and His vicarious, perfect, finished/completed work on the Cross of Calvary and go follow you, gt.

God forbid that I would abandon WHO He is and WHAT He did and follow YOUR FALSE DOCTRINE.

You, gt, are the MOST DANGEROUS KIND of preacher that exists for you mix God's Truth with YOUR UNtruth; therefore, calling God a liar.
 
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God's Truth said:
Did you stop any sin and prove your repentance?
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To whom do you PROVE YOUR repentance gt?
How do you know YOUR PROOF was accepted?
Did you receive an email, snail?
Did you hear a voice that told you that YOUR PROOF had been accepted?
Did someone physically told you that YOUR PROOF had been accepted?

Give me the verse please, so I can study it for myself.

Being that you have said:
God's Truth said:
Just ask if you do not know that what I am saying is from the Bible.
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I am asking you to show me from the Bible how YOU PROVE your repentance. Thank you.
 
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