You said, "Christians are renewed in their spirit". These verses do not say that.
I'm now noting that they also do not say "born from above".
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I'm now noting that they also do not say "born from above".
One In Christ
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I dont think you understand my point. Saying "It is not that He takes care of our guilt so that we can continue to sin.", is carnal, and pointless to talk about.
This is like saying:
"Grace is not a license to sin."
You are failing to see:
Rom 8:2 KJV - For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Are you free from sin? Apparently not since you think you still can.
Christ took it all. Christ payed it all. To think otherwise is carnal and therefore:
Rom 8:6 KJV - For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace.
Rom 8:7 KJV - Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 KJV - So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
This is why i say "Stop it."
Render your flesh as dead, and not of you!
Rom 8:10 KJV - And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness.
I think you are saying that we shouldn't live in sin but that it is carnal to say so.
Nang
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Sinners are regenerated by the Holy Spirit to new spiritual life (not new physical life).
The Greek word "anothen" translated "again" means "from above."
Where do you get that?
Really?
One In Christ
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I am saying we cannot. It's impossible. It was hung up on the Cross at the DBR.
I think you are saying we cannot (sin). That believers in God and Jesus Christ are incapable of sin. Is this correct?
One In Christ
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Yes - per:
Rom 8:2 KJV - For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
I believe that the law of sin and of death is (my first choice) that death is now (since the fall) the natural consequence of sin OR that (a second choice) the soul that sins shall die (which may in context be shown to involve judgment).
Wile E. Coyote
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Correct! Jesus said that a man must be born from "above."
How do you know that this is the case?
Wile E. Coyote
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My Greek New Testament.
Romans 7:23 but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members.
Ok. How can I verify this?
Go to an online Greek New Testament and check it out.
The one I looked at first did not show the word. http://wesley.nnu.edu/gnt/
But I found this:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G509&t=NASB
So it may be appropriate to bring it to the Coyote's attention. I don't have a clue as to what you were discussing.
It appears from what Nang was saying that what is translated in John 3:3 as "born again" may be supposed to be translated "born from above" instead. The Greek word "anōthen" can be translated variously, according to the Strongs at www.blueletterbible.org.
One In Christ
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What about this verse?
I'm not sure what you mean. Did you see post 1169?
Do you mean, what about this verse is important?
Or do you mean, have you considered the verse you have provided here?
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