ECT MAD implies both Jesus and Paul are liars.

[Danoh]

Is that what Jesus did?

Jesus came with grace and taught the new law---THE LAW OF CHRIST.

But you preach against us obeying what Jesus taught. So much for the law of Christ.

Nope.

He lived under the Law; emphasized living under the Law and added to that the tenents of the Kingdom their Law and their Prophets did say should come.

 

[glorydaz]

If there is no repentance toward God then there is NO faith !

Act 20:21
Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

That's because repentance TOWARD GOD is believing. There is no looking back at sins that were heaped on our Lord at the cross. It's faith believing those very sins are GONE ....that's God's Grace.

You don't notice the word TOWARD in that verse? You've been told this already.

Repent means to change one's mind.......from unbelief to belief.

 

[God's Truth]

You and Dodge are twins...making post that make no sense.

I will say it slower for you.

How can anyone ever get that Jesus' teachings would only be NON EFFECTIVE to Jews and then postponed.

Does that help?

You preach that what Jesus said when he walked the earth was only to the Jews and not for us.

So according to you, Jesus' teachings are non effective because they are only for the Jews who rejected him.

 

[glorydaz]

Try Gal. 2:20.

I know the verse....it doesn't change my opinion of your influence on Dodge.

 

[glorydaz]

Wrong again ! Scripture created the arguments against MAD not Danoh.

You didn't find Stam and Bullingers names in Scripture, but you throw them around like that proves something. And you didn't learn the "you and yours" and the term "hybrid" on your own. You're a little clone that got out of hand.

 

[glorydaz]

No it does not.

No one is surprised you agree with Dodge. :chuckle:

 

[God's Truth]

Nope, He preached the Law when He walked among us and Grace after He rose from the dead.

Give the scripture where he commanded everyone to get circumcised, etc.

 

[glorydaz]

Her fool point was

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that if not for my supposed spite; you would not be railing against her and hers as Hybrids; which you have yet done.

You had and have been railing against MAD and MADs in general; not against one and not another.

Her other fool point was

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my having mentioned Stam to you as being the cause of this same nonsense of hers about what originally set you off against MAD and or MADs.

Fact is, your issue is against MAD and MADs in general; myself included.

Out of your misunderstanding of Scripture, and your need to give them a dose of their own medicine.

You are both wrong on said need.

I just haven't seen fit to spit on you, no matter how much you might or might not spit on MAD and or MADs in general.

What that is - on both your part and theirs - is the "dissimulation" (hypocrisy) of Galatian LEGALISM.

Of a CONDITIONAL "grace" towards others.

Of "meet our standard and we won't spit on you."

Which is different from posting "Nope... Such and such is not what the Scripture teaches on that - this here is what the Scripture teaches on that..."

And calling out the LEGALISM I have just described is not spite, anymore than when the Scripture calls it what it is - religious hypocrisy.

That was Paul's very point against you and against them in their "our way or the highway" in the following...

Galatians 6:12 As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ. 6:13 For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh.

Solution given long ago, but ignored?

Galatians 5:8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you. 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

5:15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Here we go again, folks. Danoh is attempting to squirm his way out of the gunsights. Run, Danoh, run.:dog:

 

[God's Truth]

Nope.

He lived under the Law; emphasized living under the Law and added to that the tenents of the Kingdom their Law and their Prophets did say should come.

He did not teach the old law. Show the scriptures where he instructs everyone to sacrifice animals.

 

[glorydaz]

Give the scripture where he commanded everyone to get circumcised, etc.

That wasn't a commandment. It was a sign of the covenant God had with Israel.

Acts 15:1
And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.​

The commandments (written in stone)...Thou shalt not.....

Matt. 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Matt. 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:​

 

[God's Truth]

That wasn't a commandment. It was a sign of the covenant God had with Israel.

So you are admitting Jesus didn’t teach the old law?

Acts 15:1
And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

That scripture does not say Jesus taught that.

The commandments (written in stone)...Thou shalt not.....

Matt. 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Matt. 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

Jesus fulfilled those and knew he would.

Since Jesus was going to fulfill the old law with the ceremonial works, he is not going to preach against it, but he did not teach them like you say he did.

You gave no scriptures where Jesus taught the old law.

 

[glorydaz]

So you are admitting Jesus didn’t teach the old law?



That scripture does not say Jesus taught that.


Jesus fulfilled those and knew he would.

Since Jesus was going to fulfill the old law with the ceremonial works, he is not going to preach against it, but he did not teach them like you say he did.

You gave no scriptures where Jesus taught the old law.

You're confusing the Law of God with the Law of Moses.

Jesus did teach the law before He went to the cross. In fact, He magnified it, and made it harder to keep than ever. "Thou shalt not commit adultery" turned into thou shalt not look at a woman with lust in your eyes. (Thou shalt not COVET thy neighbor's wife) as originally intended.

The point is the Law was before the Cross and Grace was after the Cross. The blood IS the Grace of God.

 

[glorydaz]

He did not teach the old law. Show the scriptures where he instructs everyone to sacrifice animals.

Was that in the Ten? No.

 

[Danoh]

He did not teach the old law. Show the scriptures where he instructs everyone to sacrifice animals.

Matthew 5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; 5:24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

Matthew 8:4 And Jesus saith unto him, See thou tell no man; but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.

Matthew 23:18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty. 23:19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?

 

[Nang]

You're confusing the Law of God with the Law of Moses.

Jesus did teach the law before He went to the cross. In fact, He magnified it, and made it harder to keep than ever. "Thou shalt not commit adultery" turned into thou shalt not look at a woman with lust in your eyes. (Thou shalt not COVET thy neighbor's wife) as originally intended.

The point is the Law was before the Cross and Grace was after the Cross. The blood IS the Grace of God.

It is my belief that God's moral law (the Ten Commandments) is eternal Truth, as is His grace His eternal attribute and purpose. Both reveal His holiness, majesty, and glory.

All of creation, history, and religious civil rites revealed through the nation of Israel, point the mind and spirits of men towards God's holiness, majesty, and glory.

All of the revealed Word of God (Holy Scriptures) point men to the promised and achieved salvation of sinners in the Person of Jesus Christ, who manifested the sinless holiness, majesty, and glory of God, on this earth, in time, in the same flesh, as His faithful brethren.

No time dispensation alters these eternal realities.

God is immutable.

 

[glorydaz]

Matthew 5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; 5:24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

Matthew 8:4 And Jesus saith unto him, See thou tell no man; but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.

Matthew 23:18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty. 23:19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?

I didn't realize that's what it meant. I was always thinking of the free will offering. :think:

 

[JudgeRightly]

God is immutable.

You believe Jesus is God, yes?

 

[God's Truth]

Matthew 5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; 5:24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

Matthew 8:4 And Jesus saith unto him, See thou tell no man; but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.

Matthew 23:18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty. 23:19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?

Jesus isn't teaching the old law. Jesus is teaching the new law that we all are to obey.

What is greater, the gift or the altar that sanctifies the gift?

Jesus telling the man he healed to show his self to the priest of the earthly temple is not preaching the old law.

Teaching to be reconciled to your brother is not preaching the old law, it is teaching the new law.

You failed at saying what Jesus taught was the old law only for the Jews.

Now go to Leviticus where Moses taught the old law, and believe the scriptures, all the scriptures, including this one:

John 1:17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.


That scripture rebukes you, but you will not learn.

 

[God's Truth]

Was that in the Ten? No.

What? I said for you to show the scriptures where Jesus instructs everyone to sacrifice animals, and you said was that in the Ten?

Tell me, did Jesus teach to love your neighbor as yourself?
Was it in the Ten Commandments?

You got caught in your own craftiness.

Leviticus 19:18

Now show the scriptures where Jesus instructs everyone to sacrifice animals.

What is this that Paul preaches?

Romans 13:10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Paul taught the old law according to you.

 

[God's Truth]

You're confusing the Law of God with the Law of Moses.

The law of Moses is from God.

John 1:17 God gave the Law through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.


Did you read that?

You say Jesus taught the old law; however that scripture rebukes you.

Jesus did teach the law before He went to the cross. In fact, He magnified it, and made it harder to keep than ever. "Thou shalt not commit adultery" turned into thou shalt not look at a woman with lust in your eyes. (Thou shalt not COVET thy neighbor's wife) as originally intended.

Are you kidding? Those scriptures that you think that Jesus taught and made the commands HARDER to keep is an assault on the truth, and the truth is that Jesus' teachings are light and easy! For you to say Jesus made it harder to obey is a terrible thing to say.

Jesus made it easier to obey not committing adultery and murder, for Jesus taught how to keep it out of your heart in the first place!

The point is the Law was before the Cross and Grace was after the Cross. The blood IS the Grace of God.

Jesus' teachings are for everyone forever. You have been taught wrong by teachers you choose to believe, for I just showed you scripture that corrects and rebukes you, but will you repent for speaking falseness about Jesus' teachings?