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You denying there were certain works to purify the people is outrageous.
ECT "Lordship 'Salvation'"-perverting the gospel of Christ
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You denying there were certain works to purify the people is outrageous.
Derf
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Hi Meshak,
I don't understand your point. I agree that Jesus' teachings and commands are often (not always) not valued by many (I'm not sure about "most") churches. And I don't believe our works save us.
I do believe Jesus commands His followers to obey Him. And those who don't are likely not to be counted as His followers/sheep when he separates the sheep from the goats. I also know that He intercedes for us (Rom 8:34), no doubt needed because our works don't do the job, and according to Paul, we often don't do what we want to do, but what our flesh desires. Which seems to mean 2 things:
- Jesus followers (the real ones) want to do His commands
- Jesus followers (even the real ones, like Paul) don't always do His commands
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How evil, you are falsely judging the apostle Paul. How do you ever get he did not always obey Jesus' commands?
Derf
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Is that all you did? Here's what you said after my supposed "stab":
And here's your follow-up comment:
You tell me who's judging whom.
My mixed messages? That was Paul's in Romans 7. And afterward he gave glory to God that he was no longer condemned EVEN THOUGH HE STILL SINNED IN THE FLESH!
Rom 7:25-8:1. Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin. There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
Derf
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Ummm...From where he said it in Rom 7:25?
Am I falsely judging when I just say what Paul said about himself?
Romans 15;15 KJV, 1 Peter 2:5, devil child, have NADA to do with justification, but our walk/sanctification(" an offering"/"spiritual sacrifices")-my point-"acceptable to Him."
Clueless.
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The Law of Moses was ALWAYS taken as a WHOLE. Only YOU want to slice and dice it to fit your need.
Why do you have the need to add that our works will not save us?
Jesus did not say that. What He said was to be faithful to Him. Why don't you just stop there, to be faithful to Him?
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ClimateSanity
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Why do you assume he isn't faithful?
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You denying there were certain works to purify the people is outrageous.
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The scriptures say to repent of our sins to be saved.
The gospel message is about Jesus DYING for sins. What are you doing coming to the one who died for you and not acknowledge your sins?
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Justification and sanctification are the same thing.
We are sanctified through the work of the Spirit to be obedient to Jesus.
We purify ourselves by believing in the truth, and by obeying the truth. See 2 Thessalonians 2:13, and 1 Peter 1:22.
We are sanctified through the work of the Spirit TO BE OBEDIENT.
1 Peter 1:2 who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood:
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The blood of Jesus sanctifies us (Hebrews 10:29); Jesus sanctifies us by the truth (John 17:17); Jesus sanctifies (Hebrews 2:11); We are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus (Hebrews 10:10).
Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
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Justified, sanctified, made righteous are all about the same thing.
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Paul said what he was like BEFORE Jesus saved him.
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You are delusional.
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Paul did not struggle with sin after Jesus saved him the way he did before Jesus saved him.
Paul in no way remained doing the sins that earned him the self-given title of Worst of Sinners. He said that about himself because BEFORE Jesus saved him, he was a violent man; he gave approval of Stephens’s death, guarded over the clothes that belonged to the men who killed Stephen. Saul put many of the saints in prison, and when they were put to death, he cast his vote against them. Saul began to destroy the church. Going from house to house, he dragged off men and women and put them in prison. Acts 22:20, Acts 26:10, Acts 8:3.
That is why Paul said he was the worst of sinners. Not because he kept sinning after he was saved! Pastors in many if not all denominations teach that falseness, that Paul, after Jesus saved him, struggled with sin so much and was the worst of sinners.
Paul in no way remained doing the sins that earned him the self-given title of Worst of Sinners. He said that about himself because BEFORE Jesus saved him, he was a violent man; he gave approval of Stephens’s death, guarded over the clothes that belonged to the men who killed Stephen. Saul put many of the saints in prison, and when they were put to death, he cast his vote against them. Saul began to destroy the church. Going from house to house, he dragged off men and women and put them in prison. Acts 22:20, Acts 26:10, Acts 8:3.
That is why Paul said he was the worst of sinners. Not because he kept sinning after he was saved! Pastors in many if not all denominations teach that falseness, that Paul, after Jesus saved him, struggled with sin so much and was the worst of sinners.
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You haven't disproved anything.