drbrumley
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And it is an abomination......curious though, why didn't God put this specific thing on the tablets?
There is a reason.
Kentucky clerk who refused gay couples taken into federal custody; ordered jailed
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And it is an abomination......curious though, why didn't God put this specific thing on the tablets?
There is a reason.
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republicanchick
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i have; you just aren't listening...
How about this
God says in isaiah:
"My ways are not your ways. My thoughts are not your thoughts"
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republicanchick
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ok doser
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they would have been too heavy for Moses to carry if He had put every little thing on them?
God was addressing sinful, yet sentient beings
Did He say condemn and vilify homosexuals and don't allow them ALL the freedoms any other legal citizens have, including murderers, liars, drunkards, fornicators, unbelievers, pedophiles etc...?
This issue is a secular on, NOT a religious one. Nobody is advocating we accept their sins. Read 1 Cor 5, to get Paul's perspective on this issue.
Selaphiel
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republicanchick said:
Then why do you place so much stock on it being unnatural? Now that you have established that natural does not necessarily equal moral, it follows by necessity that unnuatral does not necessarily equate immoral as well.
Guess you do not know what per se means. I asked you to argue that homosexuality per se was immoral and perverse using reason and empirical facts. Per se means "in itself". What you wrote here could have other explanations, including things like psychological issues due to ostracizing from society. Present an argument for why homosexuality and homosexual acts by themselves are immoral and perverse, you have done no such thing.
Having some troubles with the word objective as well, are we? OBJECTIVE means that someone should be able to accept your argument regardless of specific religious commitments, it is an appeal to universal reason and empirical facts.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
murderers, pedophiles, adulterers should all be executed swiftly, so let's not pretend that their having any rights is just
so should those engaging in homosexual acts
Selaphiel
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That is a citation, not an argument
I always have to laugh to myself when people quote the KJV for this verse because of the word abomination. The proper word is "detestable", which ALL sin is in God's eyes. The fact is the Levitical laws were directed at believers, the nation of Israel, NOT unbelievers. No different today.
I am amazed at how many want to condemn those who do not fall under the jurisdiction of the NT. Again, read 1 Cor 5 and see what Paul says about judging unbelievers.
Who is actually doing that, and what is normal? The government is NOT a theocratic one, it is a democracy and as such does NOT have a belief.
Allowing someone to be a full citizen with full right does not encourage them, as they will do what they do, REGARDLESS.
republicanchick
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It does NOT show her personal acceptance, it shows they have complied with the LEGAL requirements of the state, and as such she affirms this by putting her legally recognized signature on it, as the representative of the state, NOTHING about the licence conveys her personal acceptance of their sexual; preferences. If she thinks it does, she should get a new job, because she is incapable of separating church and state.
republicanchick
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i could argue all day and you could listen or not listen (all day)
wouldn't prove a thing
In the end it comes down to CHOICE
Sorry you seem 2 find nothing wrong w/ perversity
you may want to consider that when the body is engaged in perversity, the mind and soul are as well
we should PRAY for homosexuals involved in that "lifestyle" not condone what thye are doing... not make it "legal"
but you apparently don't care about them
it's just an intellectual argument to some people
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TracerBullet
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but we don't all deny the rights of others
TracerBullet
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Do you follow all the laws of Leviticus bybee?
Selaphiel
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How do you know I won't listen? You haven't even tried to argue your point.
You made the claim that it was an objective moral truth. I asked you to present your argument for why that is so. You have not done so, and then you claim that the problem is that I do not listen? If you can't present such an argument, then you should not make the claim.