PureX said:
Then why are the poor overwhelmingly non-white?
From 2004 US Census data:
http://pubdb3.census.gov/macro/032005/pov/new01_100.htm
Total number of White only below the poverty level = 25,301,000
Total number of Black only below the poverty level = 9,000,000
Are you saying that non-whites are more lazy than whites, and that's why they prefer to "hang our with their homeys" while white people are busy working hard and getting ahead?
Nope - I'm saying (again) that it's harder to integrate into a predominatley white society for non-whites.
You're claiming that poor people are poor because they're lazy. But you're trying not to say that people of color are more lazy than white people. Yet poor people are mostly people of color in this country, so if you're saying that poor people are lazy, then you're also saying that people of color are lazy, which is untrue and racist.
See statistics above.
I really hesitated to bring the term "lazy" into this discussion and did so only by trying to explain my meaning. Apparently I've failed.
And you really don't think that people are being locked out of this "integration" regardless of their efforts?
No, I haven't experienced this.
How do you explain that one white immigrant group after another has come to America as unwanted aliens, and integrated themselves within one or two generations while black people have been here for many generations and still have not been integrated. Do you really believe that this is all their fault?
I'm not trying to explain it, I'm trying to explain why I refuse to take blame for it.
BTW - how do you explain the relative success of Asian immigrants, who also face prejudicial attitudes and resistance to integration?
No, they thought; "you're white, we know you'll be able meet our expectations" while they thought "he's black, he'll have to work his butt off to prove to us that he can live up to our expectations, and if he slips up in any way, it'll prove that he is inferior, just as I already suspect him to be". In fact, the black man is expected to fail, which is why he has to prove himself, while the white man is expected to succeed, which is why he'll get the job first and have to prove he's a failure to lose it.
Again, not in my experience. I have been fortunate to work in a diverse work environment, mostly educated at college level or beyond. I have never seen the type of stereotyping you describe. My city celebrates the heritage of Frederick Douglass. It was a terminus of the underground railroad. Every school child in this area is aware of the earliest efforts by whites and blacks to avoid the types of treatment you describe.
The expectations are grossly biased, which makes a person of color have to work unfairly hard to overcome expectations that are biased against him. And ultimately, he will never overcome the expectations of a bigot, no matter what he does, because the bigot will always see what he expects to see - the inferiority of the "other". Yet the bigot will never realize that he's a bigot, and that he'll remain biased against people of color no matter how hard they try to overcome his bias.
Human nature being what it is, I don't disagree.
Person "A" can never overcome the bias of person "B" because it's not person "A"s bias. We can't reach into the minds and hearts of others and change them. And only a fool would try, or expect other people to try. .
And yet, that seems to be what you're proposing :think:
And yet you still seem to think it's perfectly natural that they should have to work their butts off to meet the expectation of biased white people even though that's unfair and ultimately impossible. What a good friend you are.
Actually, since they were there before me, the expectation was that I perform up to their level.
How safety minded of you.
Thanks.
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