I back Jesus Christ.
I back Jesus Christ.
Muslims also believe in eternal torment in hell. Didn't you know that? If you get to paint me with a wide brush, then I get to do the same to you. If you can assume that anyone who believes that the wages of sin is death is a JW, then I can assume that anyone who believes in eternal torment is a Muslim. The logic is the same, it's just that the shoe is on the other foot. How do you like it?
No, here is the gospel:
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."
Here is the false gospel:
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever rejects Him will be tortured alive in hellish torment.
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way 2 go
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what do you think this verse means?
Eph 2:1 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins
way 2 go
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Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
It is refuted, it is broken record.
these are not saying you will be tortured for eternity. They will perish, not live in lake of fire for eternity.
John 3:16.
this is not saying you will be living for eternity in lake of fire if you are not a Christian.
what false gospel? It is you spreading against the word.
Yes, Both John 3:16 and John 3:18 are true. He that believeth on him is not condemned, he shall have eternal life. He that believeth not is condemned already, he shall perish.
way 2 go
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and still no refutation of the statements :beanboy:
Rev_14:11
if they are not there then it is not the the smoke of their torment
Mat_25:46
if they are not there it can't be punishment
broken record.
freelight
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Lessons revisited.....
Lessons revisited.....
Still missing it, educate yourself on the issues concerning proper translation here and elsewhere.
'Smoke of their torment',...ever hear of a metaphor? 'figurative speech'. But lets take this further.....what is the 'smoke' of their 'torment' anyways? Have you heard of the term 'smoke of their torment' anywhere else but in this peculiar passage? figure of speech,...and don't forget...the NT was not written in English,...look to the original greek inflections, meanings, context, etc. Just like 'fire' is figurative, so is 'smoke'.
The issue of 'aion' has already been explained....it does not in and of itself indicate 'eternal' or 'endless' unless qualified by/referring to a particular subject such as 'God' himself, in which case...'eternal', 'endless' has special significance. Otherwise, it indicates an 'age' (indefinite period of time, a dispensation).
Already exposed Matt. 25:46 here. Again the word for 'punishment' is a 'cutting off' as in 'pruning' a branch or tree, so that it may procude a better harvest. Otherwise, its 'chastisement', and such is not 'endless'. - such endures til its end result is effected. In this case it could be towards rehabilitation/purification/reform....or 'death'. - NOT an endless torture. If anything a 'transformation' occurs in the fire of 'God'.
Lessons revisited.....
Still missing it, educate yourself on the issues concerning proper translation here and elsewhere.
'Smoke of their torment',...ever hear of a metaphor? 'figurative speech'. But lets take this further.....what is the 'smoke' of their 'torment' anyways? Have you heard of the term 'smoke of their torment' anywhere else but in this peculiar passage? figure of speech,...and don't forget...the NT was not written in English,...look to the original greek inflections, meanings, context, etc. Just like 'fire' is figurative, so is 'smoke'.
The issue of 'aion' has already been explained....it does not in and of itself indicate 'eternal' or 'endless' unless qualified by/referring to a particular subject such as 'God' himself, in which case...'eternal', 'endless' has special significance. Otherwise, it indicates an 'age' (indefinite period of time, a dispensation).
Already exposed Matt. 25:46 here. Again the word for 'punishment' is a 'cutting off' as in 'pruning' a branch or tree, so that it may procude a better harvest. Otherwise, its 'chastisement', and such is not 'endless'. - such endures til its end result is effected. In this case it could be towards rehabilitation/purification/reform....or 'death'. - NOT an endless torture. If anything a 'transformation' occurs in the fire of 'God'.
Your muslim comparison is asinine. By your warped logic, you follow the koran, because it recognizes Christ and Mary as His mother.
My belief in what happens to unbelievers comes from scripture only. You ignore the scriptures that make you uncomfortable, i dont.
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If you teach that which he teaches then you teach a false gospel as well.
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Ecclesiastes 3:14 I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.
Forever means forever
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Yet, she's been able to acquire a half million Pos-Reps.
Frankly, I'm really not that interested in what you and your ilk believe.
The Bible tells us in Revelation that, those whose names are not
written in the Book of Life will be cast into the Lake of Fire. That's
where the devil and his angels will be cast as well. Unbelievers
will be judged by their works and cast into the Lake of Fire. If
you have a problem with that, pray to God about it? However,
first read the last few chapters of Revelation.
You don't believe in the majority of the Bible, just Matthew, Mark,
and Luke. So, I don't think that makes you a "Bible Scholar?" So,
it's best if you keep your hat silent.