Just One Gospel?
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elected4ever
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That is absolute righteousness and is a good answer. It is clear that absolute righteousness is required. If you wont to have eternal life then you must be absolutely righteous. I agree with Jesus.
elected4ever
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Both:bannana:
Below is a post I made in the thread "The Gospel" a few days ago. It may help, it may just be gasoline on the fire, or it may be answering questions that nobody is asking or cares about, but here goes...
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What I am going to do in this post is present the traditional dispensationalist view (what I think some on this board refer to as "Acts 2 dispensationalism"). I'm not going to go to great lengths here to defend it, I'm just going to present it. Perhaps I'll attempt to defend it once others attempt to take it apart, but maybe not.
We could say that there are three or four different GOSPELS, or that there are three or four different messages of good news. Take your pick.
First, there is the gospel or good news of the kingdom (Mt 4:23, 9:35). This is the good news that God intends to set up the kingdom of Christ in fulfillment of the Davidic Covenant (2 Sam. 7:16). This message was preached by John the Baptist, by our Lord during His first advent, and will be preached during the tribulation (Mt 24:14).
Second, there is the gospel or good news of the grace of God, i.e., that Jesus died on the cross for the sins of the world, was raised from the dead for our justification, and that by Him all who believe are justified. I'm not going to quote any Scripture about this one, since there has already been a lot quoted concerning it in this thread, and most of us agree that this one exists anyway. <8^)
Third, there is the "everlasting gospel" of Rev. 14:6-7. It is described in the New Scofield Refernce Bible (1967) "as the announcement of divine judgment upon the wicked in the coming great tribulation. It is good news for the suffering believers as it heralds their coming deliverance and reward (cp. v. 12). In view of this those who 'dwell on the earth' are exhorted to fear God and worship Him (v. 7)."
Chafer and Scofield (in his 1917 edition) add a fourth, that which Paul calls "my Gospel." They describe this as the gospel of grace in its fullest development, and it includes a lot of stuff about the church.
This "does not mean that there is more than one Gospel of salvation. Grace is the basis for salvation in all dispensations, and is under all circumstances the only way of salvation from sin." -- Scofield Reference Bible, 1967 edition
Covenant or Reformed theologians object to a distinction between the gospel of the kingdom and the gospel of grace. This statement by Chafer is similar to those made by some of the previous posters in this thread: "Here nevertheless will arise an absurdity which does not deter this type of theologian, namely, that men could preach the grace gospel based as it is on the death and resurrection of Christ when they did not believe Christ would die or be raised again (cf. Luke 18:31-34)." -- Systematic Theology, Vol. VII, page 176.
Please excuse the long post and my over-reliance on other sources -- I'm NOT a theologian by any means despite my overpriced education. But I hope this has helped in gaining an understanding of at least a traditional dispensationalist position on this issue.
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Yours because His,
Swanca
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What I am going to do in this post is present the traditional dispensationalist view (what I think some on this board refer to as "Acts 2 dispensationalism"). I'm not going to go to great lengths here to defend it, I'm just going to present it. Perhaps I'll attempt to defend it once others attempt to take it apart, but maybe not.
We could say that there are three or four different GOSPELS, or that there are three or four different messages of good news. Take your pick.
First, there is the gospel or good news of the kingdom (Mt 4:23, 9:35). This is the good news that God intends to set up the kingdom of Christ in fulfillment of the Davidic Covenant (2 Sam. 7:16). This message was preached by John the Baptist, by our Lord during His first advent, and will be preached during the tribulation (Mt 24:14).
Second, there is the gospel or good news of the grace of God, i.e., that Jesus died on the cross for the sins of the world, was raised from the dead for our justification, and that by Him all who believe are justified. I'm not going to quote any Scripture about this one, since there has already been a lot quoted concerning it in this thread, and most of us agree that this one exists anyway. <8^)
Third, there is the "everlasting gospel" of Rev. 14:6-7. It is described in the New Scofield Refernce Bible (1967) "as the announcement of divine judgment upon the wicked in the coming great tribulation. It is good news for the suffering believers as it heralds their coming deliverance and reward (cp. v. 12). In view of this those who 'dwell on the earth' are exhorted to fear God and worship Him (v. 7)."
Chafer and Scofield (in his 1917 edition) add a fourth, that which Paul calls "my Gospel." They describe this as the gospel of grace in its fullest development, and it includes a lot of stuff about the church.
This "does not mean that there is more than one Gospel of salvation. Grace is the basis for salvation in all dispensations, and is under all circumstances the only way of salvation from sin." -- Scofield Reference Bible, 1967 edition
Covenant or Reformed theologians object to a distinction between the gospel of the kingdom and the gospel of grace. This statement by Chafer is similar to those made by some of the previous posters in this thread: "Here nevertheless will arise an absurdity which does not deter this type of theologian, namely, that men could preach the grace gospel based as it is on the death and resurrection of Christ when they did not believe Christ would die or be raised again (cf. Luke 18:31-34)." -- Systematic Theology, Vol. VII, page 176.
Please excuse the long post and my over-reliance on other sources -- I'm NOT a theologian by any means despite my overpriced education. But I hope this has helped in gaining an understanding of at least a traditional dispensationalist position on this issue.
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Yours because His,
Swanca
elected4ever
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Matthew 19:20 _The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 _Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22 _But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
Can anyone be perfect outside of Christ Jesus? The young man was depending on his good works and Jesus just helped him see the truth. If anyone can keep the whole law then that person will be saved. Jesus keep the whole law and outside of Jesus no man keeps the law but in Jesus the law is fulfilled.
Romans 8:1 _¶There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus.:bannana:
drbrumley
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Agreed. Noone can be perfect outside of Jesus. But did not Jesus say follow the law right above what you posted? He listed the commandments. Those look like requirements to me that a person being a Jew had to do. Jesus doesnt say thru me you can keep the commandments. The young man had to keep em, right?
elected4ever
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Nether did Stephen
