Jesus is God
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beloved57
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I'm waiting for you to show me the scripture that says Jesus Christ is not God !
PhilipJames
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Hello keypurr,
thank you for that. offer of friendship accepted
On the contrary, I believe they knew EXACTLY what HE was saying, they just didn't believe it, thus the charge of Blasphemy...
They were wrong not to believe HIM, because HE is the Truth!
How many today call HIM Lord, but reject the very things HE says? An untenable position...
He either IS who HE said HE IS, and thus we need to accept what HE says as TRUTH,
or he was mad/delusional , a false prophet and was rightly charged as a blasphemer...
He is either one or the other. HE left no other option open to us.
Peace!
PJ
thank you for that. offer of friendship accepted
On the contrary, I believe they knew EXACTLY what HE was saying, they just didn't believe it, thus the charge of Blasphemy...
They were wrong not to believe HIM, because HE is the Truth!
How many today call HIM Lord, but reject the very things HE says? An untenable position...
He either IS who HE said HE IS, and thus we need to accept what HE says as TRUTH,
or he was mad/delusional , a false prophet and was rightly charged as a blasphemer...
He is either one or the other. HE left no other option open to us.
Peace!
PJ
keypurr
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keypurr
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Is Jesus the Father he prayed to?
Did you see the words of Jesus Christ when he said that his FATHER IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD?
You do understand that would disqualify Jesus from being the most high God?
keypurr
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Hello keypurr,
thank you for that. offer of friendship accepted
On the contrary, I believe they knew EXACTLY what HE was saying, they just didn't believe it, thus the charge of Blasphemy...
They were wrong not to believe HIM, because HE is the Truth!
How many today call HIM Lord, but reject the very things HE says? An untenable position...
He either IS who HE said HE IS, and thus we need to accept what HE says as TRUTH,
or he was mad/delusional , a false prophet and was rightly charged as a blasphemer...
He is either one or the other. HE left no other option open to us.
Peace!
PJ
Thank you for your friendship
I know Christ is Lord, but he is not God. There is a huge gap between the two.
I see Christ as a spirit, the express image of the Father. He is the first of all creation for God created all things through him. But all his power comes from his God, creator.
The Apostle Paul tells us we have one God, the Father AND one Lord Jesus Christ.
I see Jesus as a man, he is the body mentioned in Hebrews 10:5 that God prepared for his spiritual son Christ. I see Christ as the son that was sent, not Jesus.
If there is a gap, then the Lord Jesus could not be the mediator, for He could never reach the infinite GOD.
semantics. we don't know what God can do, maybe Jesus is the Son of God on earth while also being one with God. He was God's Word in the flesh. it's hard to imagine the Trinity, and that word is never used in the Bible but demonstrated nonetheless. i can't have the mind of God but it's fun to imagine, take what the Word gives you and make it work. if we analyze it like lawyers or linguists it can get complicated
keypurr
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We can use the intellect God has given us to see what he has told us in his words.
Christ was a spirit being before he took the form of man. He is the express image of the Father. He is a created form of God. But not God.
Jesus was the flesh son of the most high God. But he is not the son sent, Christ is. God used Christ to create everything.
That much we have been told. Consider a study of Hebrews 1 and Colossians 1. Who do you see as the express image of the Father?
you go keypurr ! amen - Jesus is the man is the Christ (Spirit), i agree completely with you, after much study of all the gospels and epistles. i was responding to a post, probably sounding too much like a teacher and helping to explain something. if i ever sound condescending or like i'm talkng down to someone i'm not. i guess i use my own experience too much to possibly help anyone. thank you for your response
i disagree with you keypurr if you say Jesus Christ is not God
Jesus refused the notion that He was God.
Joh 10:33 The Jews answered Him, saying, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God."
Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, 'I SAID, "YOU ARE GODS" '?
Joh 10:35 If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken),
Joh 10:36 do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'?
Joh 10:37 If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me;
Joh 10:38 but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him."
LA
i won't try to change you views because i think we agree on some most important things, my mind grasps the Trinity without even calling it that necessarily. we are blessed with great intellect no doubt, i have little comparably, but i envision God as Spirit , all powerful, Jesus is part of that Spirit. God made a vessel for the Messiah (which was prophesied in the Old Testament) the Christ Soul. hence, the 3 are one. i just accept it. i haven't reached a level yet of intense prolonged Bible study but perhaps more than some. i read it earnestly and alert and i let it soak in, pausing between verses and chapters. so i don't pick or choose verses to prove a point yet ( watch out when i do) kidding, meaning, i can use more guidance and/or discussion, at present i read it as a whole to get the big picture if i can and plan to get more in depth (don't we all ?). thank you, if you r still up. i gotta go soon
(Mat 4:3) And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
(Mat 4:6) And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
(Mat 8:29) And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
(Mat 14:33) Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
(Mat 26:63) But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.
(Mat 27:40) And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.
(Mat 27:43) He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.
(Mat 27:54) Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.
(Mar 1:1) The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
(Mar 3:11) And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God.
(Mar 15:39) And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.
(Luk 1:35) And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
(Luk 3:38) Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
(Luk 4:3) And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
(Luk 4:9) And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:
(Luk 4:41) And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.
(Luk 8:28) When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not.
(Luk 22:70) Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am.
(Joh 1:34) And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
(Joh 1:49) Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.
(Joh 3:18) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
(Joh 5:25) Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
(Joh 9:35) Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?
(Joh 10:36) Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
(Joh 11:4) When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.
(Joh 11:27) She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.
(Joh 19:7) The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.
(Joh 20:31) But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
(Act 8:37) And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
(Act 9:20) And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.
(Rom 1:4) And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
(2Co 1:19) For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.
(Gal 2:20) I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
(Eph 4:13) Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
(Heb 4:14) Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
(Heb 6:6) If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
(Heb 7:3) Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
(Heb 10:29) Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
(1Jn 3:8) He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
(1Jn 4:15) Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
(1Jn 5:5) Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
(1Jn 5:10) He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
(1Jn 5:12) He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
(1Jn 5:13) These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
(1Jn 5:20) And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
(Rev 2:18) And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;
(Mat 4:6) And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
(Mat 8:29) And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
(Mat 14:33) Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
(Mat 26:63) But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.
(Mat 27:40) And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.
(Mat 27:43) He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.
(Mat 27:54) Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.
(Mar 1:1) The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
(Mar 3:11) And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God.
(Mar 15:39) And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.
(Luk 1:35) And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
(Luk 3:38) Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
(Luk 4:3) And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
(Luk 4:9) And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:
(Luk 4:41) And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.
(Luk 8:28) When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not.
(Luk 22:70) Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am.
(Joh 1:34) And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
(Joh 1:49) Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.
(Joh 3:18) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
(Joh 5:25) Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
(Joh 9:35) Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?
(Joh 10:36) Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
(Joh 11:4) When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.
(Joh 11:27) She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.
(Joh 19:7) The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.
(Joh 20:31) But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
(Act 8:37) And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
(Act 9:20) And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.
(Rom 1:4) And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
(2Co 1:19) For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.
(Gal 2:20) I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
(Eph 4:13) Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
(Heb 4:14) Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
(Heb 6:6) If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
(Heb 7:3) Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
(Heb 10:29) Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
(1Jn 3:8) He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
(1Jn 4:15) Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
(1Jn 5:5) Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
(1Jn 5:10) He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
(1Jn 5:12) He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
(1Jn 5:13) These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
(1Jn 5:20) And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
(Rev 2:18) And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;
Daniel1611
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Depends what scripture you read. My Bible explicitly says that Jesus is God and confirms the Trinity. If you read the New International Perversion, for instance, you could make a strong argument against Jesus's divinity because the NIV carefully changes or removes all verses that state Jesus' divinity.
My bible, your bible???
...The inescapable truth is that God will and must always be greater than our finite
capacity to understand fully or to explain exhaustively.
Our failure or understand or explain fully the Trinity or any other aspect of
God is not due to some defect in God or in His revelation but rather the
result of the fact that God is infinite and we are finite and our abilities
and intellects are limited.