Jesus is God

[Bright Raven]

Sure, take your pick:

John 1:18

(ASV) No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

(BBE) No man has seen God at any time; the only Son, who is on the breast of the Father, he has made clear what God is.

(Bishops) No man hath seene God at any tyme: The onely begotten sonne which is in the bosome of the father, he hath declared hym.

(CEV) No one has ever seen God. The only Son, who is truly God and is closest to the Father, has shown us what God is like.

(DRB) No man hath seen God at any time: the only begotten Son who is in the Bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

(ESV) No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known.

(Geneva) No man hath seene God at any time: that onely begotten Sonne, which is in the bosome of the Father, he hath declared him.

(GNB) No one has ever seen God. The only Son, who is the same as God and is at the Father's side, he has made him known.

(GW) No one has ever seen God. God's only Son, the one who is closest to the Father's heart, has made him known.

(ISV) No one has ever seen God. The unique God, who is close to the Father's side, has revealed him.

(KJV) No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

(NAS77) No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

(NASB) No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

(NET.) No one has ever seen God. The only one, himself God, who is in closest fellowship with the Father, has made God known.

(NIrV) No one has ever seen God. But God, the one and only Son, is at the Father's side. He has shown us what God is like.

(NIV) No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known.

(NKJV) No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

(NRSV) No one has ever seen God. It is God the only Son, who is close to the Father's heart, who has made him known.

(NRSVA) No one has ever seen God. It is God the only Son, who is close to the Father's heart, who has made him known.

(TNIV) No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

(YLT) God no one hath ever seen; the only begotten Son, who is on the bosom of the Father--he did declare.

Which translators are right?

The question is Are any of them wrong? Do all translate the same and we merely choose to say they are different?

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

The question is Are any of them wrong?

Yes.
Without a doubt.

Do all translate the same and we merely choose to say they are different?

Nope.

Some say God is a three headed bewildered beast.

Check this out BR.

And you to keypurr.

Adam was created in the image of God.

Who is the image of God?
Jesus Christ is the express image of God.

Look, 1+1 =2.

Adam was created in Jesus Christ's image.

Now pay attention keypurr, Jesus was with the Father from the beginning.

Adam and Eve did not get coats of human skin, Jesus, the express image of his father, formed Adam from the dust of the earth, then breathed on him, and he became a living soul.

Simple.

Ask yourself this, when Jesus was being whipped and nailed to the cross, did he use his magic to numb the pain, or did the Father withdraw his power?

 

[Bright Raven]

Yes.
Without a doubt.

Which are incorrect?

 

[keypurr]

The question is Are any of them wrong? Do all translate the same and we merely choose to say they are different?

They are different my friend. We have to go by content using other verses to determine which is true. I see Christ as a created godlike spirit, you do not. But we both hold him high as he is the son of the most high God. Do I love him any more than you do, no. For we both see him as one who gave his life for us. We think alike in many ways friend but I just do not see Christ as God. He is the highest of all creation, he is Lord of all creation. He is our Lord, not our God.

BR, we may never agree 100% but I know where your heart is.


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[keypurr]

Yes.

Without a doubt.







Nope.



Some say God is a three headed bewildered beast.



Check this out BR.



And you to keypurr.



Adam was created in the image of God.



Who is the image of God?

Jesus Christ is the express image of God.



Look, 1+1 =2.



Adam was created in Jesus Christ's image.



Now pay attention keypurr, Jesus was with the Father from the beginning.



Adam and Eve did not get coats of human skin, Jesus, the express image of his father, formed Adam from the dust of the earth, then breathed on him, and he became a living soul.



Simple.



Ask yourself this, when Jesus was being whipped and nailed to the cross, did he use his magic to numb the pain, or did the Father withdraw his power?

I do not see Jesus existing before he was born to Mary. I do see the Christ in him that was with the Father in the beginning of creation.

On Adam and Eve, you may be right. I often wonder about that. God created all through his son Christ, not Jesus. Christ, the spiritual son of the most high God.


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[1Mind1Spirit]

Which are incorrect?

Stick with this one.

No confusion.

Just read it and forget what men who were ensnared by their own understanding have tried to invent.

(KJV) No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Ask yourself what it means to see Jesus if we are not to look at the outward physical appearance.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Put simply......

If you understand Jesus, you understand the Father.

 

[Bright Raven]

They are different my friend. We have to go by content using other verses to determine which is true. I see Christ as a created godlike spirit, you do not. But we both hold him high as he is the son of the most high God. Do I love him any more than you do, no. For we both see him as one who gave his life for us. We think alike in many ways friend but I just do not see Christ as God. He is the highest of all creation, he is Lord of all creation. He is our Lord, not our God.

BR, we may never agree 100% but I know where your heart is.


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Why do you see Him as a creation when i have showed you over and over and over that He is eternal;

1 John 1:1-2 King James Version (KJV)

1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us

Something/someone who is eternal is not created.

 

[Bright Raven]

Stick with this one.

No confusion.

Just read it and forget what men who were ensnared by their own understanding have tried to invent.

(KJV) No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Ask yourself what it means to see Jesus if we are not to look at the outward physical appearance.

Yep, my choice too.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

I do not see Jesus existing before he was born to Mary. I do see the Christ in him that was with the Father in the beginning of creation.

What......

Jesus didn't have dinner with Abraham?, Jesus didn't walk in the midst of the firery furnace? Jesus didnt walk on water ?

On Adam and Eve, you may be right.

No maybe to it.

Genesis 2:7 KJV

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

I often wonder about that.

Well, it's time to stop wondering.

That verse is not going away, and if it is true, then yer scenario just wont fly.

God created all through his son Christ, not Jesus. Christ, the spiritual son of the most high God.

Nope Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Why do you see Him as a creation when i have showed you over and over and over that He is eternal;

1 John 1:1-2 King James Version (KJV)

1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us

Something/someone who is eternal is not created.

You really, really didn't just say that? :doh:

Sorry pard, but my hope is that I am eternal.

For I believed Jesus when he said I would never die.

 

[Bright Raven]

You really, really didn't just say that? :doh:

Sorry pard, but my hope is that I am eternal.

For I believed Jesus when he said I would never die.

Sort of twisting the scripture I used aren't you. You are a created being born of a mother and father. Jesus Christ was in the beginning with the Father.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Sort of twisting the scripture I used aren't you. You are a created being born of a mother and father. Jesus Christ was in the beginning with the Father.

Nope, I wouldn't do that.

I have never seen any scripture that states how long Jesus was with God, before The Father purposed our beginning.

 

[Bright Raven]

Nope, I wouldn't do that.

I have never seen any scripture that states how long Jesus was with God, before The Father purposed our beginning.

You are still created.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

You are still created.

That's right.

And I am now an eternal son of God.

Because I know the Father and Jesus whom he sent.

I will admit though that I am still learning of Him.

 

[Bright Raven]

That's right.

And I am now an eternal son of God.

Because I know the Father and Jesus whom he sent.

I will admit though that I am still learning of Him.

:thumb:

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

:thumb:

Cool Bro.

I was afraid you were gonna ask me what I learned.




You know that would be hard to do, since we are sposed to be reaching forward.

Even Paul could get confusing tryin' to make a point on what is ever eternally out there in front of us.


Enjoyed talkin' with yuh 2 nite.:thumb:

 

[Pierac]

I don't think you believe what Keypurr does either. Do you believe that Christ and Jesus are two separate entities as he does?

No I do not... But I refuse to mock or berate him for seeking an understanding to the question he seeks!

Keypurr is a seeker like me... we seek the truth... not demand you follow our tradition of men! He and I are only exposing the lies in your fellow tradition of men...

Keypurr is not seeking to recruit followers... but actually find more seekers to expose the traditions of men in the hopes of seeing more truth... nothing more or less!!! :readthis:

Keypurr is one who seeks and refuses to follow? That does not make him or I always right... but following human tradition will always lead to the teachings of men!

So big deal... He has a God given will to seek... and not follow! Keypurr does not teach that Christ and Jesus are two separate entities... he seeks understanding of how that can not be... How can you not see that? :think:

oly::sherlock:
Paul

 

[Pierac]

Jesus Christ IS God

There are some religions out there that believe and teach that Jesus Christ is not God. Some teach that He is a god, but not thee God. I am going to demonstrate through the word of God that He is God and created all things.

Jesus’s name “Immanuel” LITERALLY means “God with us”

Mt 1:23 "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel," which is translated, "God with us."

Isa 7:14 "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel.

He always existed (from everlasting):

Mic 5:2 (NKJV) "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, [Though] you are little among the thousands of Judah, [Yet] out of you shall come forth to Me The One to be Ruler in Israel, Whose goings forth [are] from of old, From everlasting."

This prophecy is of Christ's first comming. His Goings forth have been from everlasting because Christ Jesus is God.

Jesus Christ is one with the Father. He is God.

Joh 14:8 Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us." Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'? "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. "Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.

God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are one God:

1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

Jesus declares Himself to be the great I AM of the Old Testiment. I AM is God's Name

Joh 8:58 Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."

I am IS God. There is only one God. That God has three parts.

Ex 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

His Disciple/Apostle Peter Admits that Jesus knows “All things” (Only God knows all things)

Joh 21:17 He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me?" Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, "Do you love Me?" And he said to Him, "Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You." Jesus said to him, "Feed My sheep.

In Him Dwells all of the fullness of the Godhead Bodily:

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. {rudiments: or, elements} {make a prey: or, seduce you, or, lead you astray} For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: {his...: Gr. the Son of his love}
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. {in...: or, among all} 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;


God's plurality is found in Genesis

Ge 1:26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."

His Disciple/Apostle Thomas Confessed Him to be God and Jesus did NOT rebuke Him for it:

Joh 20:27 Then He said to Thomas, "Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing."And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" Jesus said to him, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

This verse demonstrates how God has multiple aspects. He said Let “US” make man in “OUR” image. He didn’t say, let me make man in My image, He said let US make man is OUR image.

His Apostle/Disciple John declares Christ Jesus to be God:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

His Apostle/Disciple John declares that the world was made by Him (Jesus Christ)

Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.

All things were made by Him and He was in the beginning with God (Father)

Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

There are MANY places where He is worshipped and Jesus NEVER tells them not to worship Him, NOT once. Only God is to be worshipped, because Jesus IS God, Jesus IS worshipped:

Mt 2:11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh. {presented: or, offered}
Mt 8:2 And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.
Mt 9:18 While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live.
Mt 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
Mt 15:25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
Mt 18:26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. {worshipped him: or, besought him}
Mt 28:9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.
Mt 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
Mr 5:6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
Mr 15:19 And they smote him on the head with a reed, and did spit upon him, and bowing their knees worshipped him.
Lu 24:52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:
Joh 9:38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.
Ac 10:25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.
Re 5:14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

Scripture refers to Him as the Lord, Jesus Christ. The phrase "The Lord" is unique only to God:

Here are a few mentioning "The Lord Your God"

De 5:6 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. {bondage: Heb. servants}

De 5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,

De 5:11 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

De 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.


Here are many calling Him Jesus Christ, The Lord.

Ac 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

Ac 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Ac 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Ac 28:31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

Ro 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Ro 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Ro 15:30 Now I beseech you, brethren, for the Lord Jesus Christ's sake, and for the love of the Spirit, that ye strive together with me in your prayers to God for me;

1Co 1:3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

1Co 16:22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

2Co 1:2 Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

2Co 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen. <<The second [epistle to the Corinthians was written from Philippi, a city of Macedonia, by Titus and Lucas.]>>

Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

Eph 6:23 Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Php 1:2 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

Php 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: {conversation...: or, we live or conduct ourselves as citizens of heaven, or, for obtaining heaven}

Col 1:2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1Th 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.


Conclusion: Jesus Christ is God. Not a God but the God of the bible. God has three parts. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. All are equal, yet the Son is submissive to the Father and the Holy Spirit is submissive to the Son. Jesus Christ was an EXAMPLE for us. He died on the cross for our sins so that we could go to heaven and be forgiven of our sins. He shed His blood for us.

Really?

WHO IS JESUS FOR DUMMIES

Trinitarian definition of God – When Trinitarians say "God," they mean the combination of all three persons, Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. If they want to refer to one specific member of the Trinity they will use the corresponding name such as "the Son" etc.

That’s it for the definitions, whew! I hope that wasn’t too deep. Okay, one set up verse. Trinitarians will agree that there is only one God who is called Yahweh. The problem is that they include Jesus as a member of Yahweh. But for now, we both agree that the only God is Yahweh.

Isaiah 45:5 – "I am the LORD (YHWH) and there is no other, there is no God besides me."

This is pretty simple. YHWH is the ONLY God. So far, so good.

Exodus 3:15 – "Thus shall you say to the Israelites: The LORD (YHWH), the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, the God of Jacob, has sent me to you."

Okay, the God of your fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the LORD (YHWH).

The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob = YHWH.

Acts 3:13 – "The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, the God of our ancestors, has glorified his servant Jesus."

Does this verse imply that Jesus is the God of Abraham etc.? Of course not! Just read it. The God of Abraham glorified who? Himself? No! He glorified his servant Jesus. This is not difficult. Jesus is obviously not the God of Abraham etc. He is the God of Abraham’s SERVANT. Who is the God of Abraham? YHWH. And YHWH is who? The ONLY God. So Jesus is not God? Of course not. He is God’s anointed.

Acts 10:38 – "How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power. He went about doing good and healing all oppressed by the devil, for God was with him."

Who anointed Jesus? It doesn’t say the Father anointed Jesus, it says GOD. You can obviously see that Jesus is not the God that anointed him. If I said, "The king anointed Bob," would you think that it meant that Bob is the king? Of course not. Jesus is the servant whom God anointed to do his will. That is the whole purpose of anointing someone, to give them the wisdom and power that they will need in order to serve God. Does it make sense to you that God would anoint God with God? Let’s look at a Messianic prophecy in the Old Testament.

Isaiah 61:1 – "The spirit of the Lord God is upon me, because the LORD (YHWH) has anointed me."

By reading this verse it is plainly clear that the person who is being anointed is not YHWH. YHWH is anointing this individual. Now watch how Jesus uses this verse to refer to himself. Jesus uses this verse to say that he is the one that the Scripture spoke about. That he is the one whom YHWH has anointed. Who is YHWH by the way? That’s right, the ONLY God.

Luke 4:18-21 – "He (Jesus) unrolled the scroll and found the passage where it was written: ‘The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me,’…He (Jesus) said to them, ‘Today this Scripture passage is fulfilled in your hearing."

Okay now, don’t panic, this is simple. Look at Isaiah 61:1, YHWH anoints someone other than YHWH. Jesus in Luke claims that he is that person whom YHWH has anointed. Next!

1 Cor. 8:6 – "Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom all things are and for whom we exist, and one Lord (This Lord is not a translation of YHWH, it is kyrios i.e. master, king etc.) Jesus Christ."

It doesn’t get any easier than this. Who is the one God? The FATHER! That’s it, period! The Father is the only one who is considered God. Jesus is our Lord (master, king). You will always see that the only one who is referred to as God is the Father. From the passage above, do you honestly read that and come away with the fact that Jesus is the one God? It is obvious that the one Lord is not the one God. Only the Father is God. It never says, "Peace from God the Father and God the Son." Why not? Didn’t the Apostles know that the Son is God? Not even close! Now get comfortable, and look at the following:

1 Cor. 1:3 – "Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."


2 Cor. 1:2 – "Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."

Philippians 1:2 – "Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."

1 Thessalonians 1:1 – "To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."

1 Thessalonians 1:2 – "Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."

2 Thessalonians 2:16 – "May our Lord Jesus Christ himself and God our Father, who has loved us."

Ephesians 4:6 – "One God and Father of all."

James1:1 – "James, a slave of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ."

1 Timothy 1:2 – "Peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord."
2 Timothy 1:2 – "Peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord."

So who is the ONLY one who is referred to as God? That’s right, the Father. There is no way that in these sentences you can come out with the idea that Jesus is God. They always say, "peace from God AND, I repeat, AND the Lord Jesus Christ." They are separate individuals.

Thus the clear teachings from Jesus that he actually HAS A GOD!!! :readthis:

Rev 3:2 'Wake up, and strengthen the things that remain, which were about to die; for I have not found your deeds completed in the sight of My God.

Rev 3:12 'He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name. :readthis:

God is given a new name too??? :doh:

Rev 3:12 'He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name.

My God! :doh:

SO... MR... xfrodobagginsx... Tell us in detail how Jesus can be GOD and then claim to have one!!! :readthis:

You can run home to your pastor now!!!
:cigar:
oly::sherlock:
Paul

 

[keypurr]

Why do you see Him as a creation when i have showed you over and over and over that He is eternal;

1 John 1:1-2 King James Version (KJV)

1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us

Something/someone who is eternal is not created.

Your assuming again BR. At one point there was only the Father. I say this because he created his exact image and was pleased that he it had his fullness. Logic tell you that you need to have a subject first to make an image of it. So God was alone before he created Christ.
Notice in your verses that HE is not used, it again proves that IT a better word to use, for the son is a spirit not a man.
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