You love labels more than scripture.
Because Jesus IS the Father, right? Meaning He is acting as the Father at one time, and acting as the Son another time, and acts as the Holy Spirit today, right?
What is so hard about this?
There is only ONE Spiritual invisible God, but even he spoke of his own essence in a plural fashion - as a
us and
our.
He is Spirit and He is LIFE therefore his WORD is alive. That is how the promised Messiah worked as God during creation. Yet, people in the OT said they SAW God Almighty.
Three great examples:
1. He called out his name to Moses as he passed before the eyes of Moses - The LORD, The LORD God. Exodus 33:15,17, 22,23 Exodus 34: 5,6
2. Twenty four men of Israel saw him on a throne. They ate a meal in his presence and was not harmed. They professed to have SEEN God.
Exodus 24:9-11
Jacob professed that he had seen the one God. Genesis32:29-30
Now, who did they see? Hold on to your tight caps: They SAW God! They SAW the living invisible eternal Spiritual God Almighty after this manner:
God established a way to manifest his presence visually within the creation. He spoke through a mouth. He sat in a seat. He wrestled with a man. He appeared in a fiery furnace. He appeared with his presence to the prophets in dreams and visions. His footsteps were heard in the Garden walking. This presented ALL OF GOD when he was among mankind and angels!!! Now the finite form/image/visible presence itself was not God but was a walking talking God Almighty. If you deny God could do such a thing after realizing HE turned mankind into just such a form then you limit God's ability.
Abraham and Jacob only knew the ONE God by the name they called him: God Almighty. Remember how Jacob knew he had wrestled with God but he asked what his name might be? Well, knowing that was the privilege given to Moses who was destined to write the first five books of scripture. Moses was the one who knew the named God chose for his glorious super-natural presence. Exodus 33-34. LORD/YHWH
Now you know who God is including his finite created presence; so, who exactly was The LORD. Well, He was Emanuel [God among men]. He represented all of the invisible God visually.
Question: Who was with God and was God simultaneously and participated in creation? Oh you know... The WORD, the predestined Messiah. When people saw God's presence it was representing
the Spirit,
the supernatural OT one who was called by men 'The Father,' AND the WORD/predestined Messiah,
It was men who called the OT presence of God The Father. Jesus later referred to him the same way. And who was the Father? God!!!!
The presence of the Father superseded the presence of the begotten Son. Neat the way God wove this truth into the society of mankind. The religious leaders knew exactly that claiming to be the Son of the Father meant Jesus was God! John 5:17-18
Just like Jesus said: When you have SEEN ME [seems my body] you HAVE SEEN the Father [the Father's presence].
Jesus could have added, I just have flesh without glory.
Just like Jesus said: When you have SEEN ME I believe the Father could have said: When you have SEEN ME you have seen the presence of the pre-incarnate Messiah. I don't say this flippantly. I say it based on truth found in John 5:37-38
37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
38 And ye have not his word abiding in you for whom he hath sent him ye believe not.
IOW, there was a voice to be heard and a shape/image to be seen, but these guys had not had that privilege because they did not have God's word abiding in them. They did not recognize Jesus's face because they had never seen the face of the Father. The two looked alike you know. One God One image.
I'm feeding you guys with so much info based on scripture. Y'all really need to read the Book of John.
And the Holy Spirit is Him; you said above. You're a modalist.
Just hush. LOL
I asked....
Is Jesus the Creator?
YES or NO.
This idiot responded by laughing...
There isn't anything else left to say. No actual believer would have responded in such a manner.
I did not read the rest of his post.
lol