Precisely!
Which is why I DO NOT read my doctrine into the text of scripture and pretend that if I add parenthetical statement while quoting a verse of scripture that I've made an actual argument!
I think you can also call Eisegesis a discussion among Bible students of what we find in scripture.
That would be a stupid thing to call it, unless by "discussing" you mean, yank whatever the Hell it is we want to believe out of practically any passage we can find.
Sure I have opinions ... so do you. I don't necessarily have an agenda except that I would like to show people what I see in scripture which means something to me.
The whole point here is that you do not see this stuff in scripture, you place it there and then pretend to have found something profound and ask us to see it.
I knew it.
Completely bizarre nonsense that you absolutely did not get out of any passage of scripture. You're just making this stuff up!
Except only in appearance for Jesus was God, who came bearing the original image God chose for himself, and which God agreed to share with the first Adam.
Saying it doesn't make it so!
Who was Adam? He was a spiritual being created male/female. He was given a measure of life from God and was ultimately blessed to receive an image which was after the likeness of God's own image. He was not God
There is no mention in scripture that Adam was ever anything but male.
There is no such thing as a "measure of life".
There is no evidence whatsoever that Adam looked like God - period.
You're just making all of this stuff up!
Who was Jesus? He was the WORD, who was God and was with God. Since he was God he was an invisible Spirit. John gave him the name when he came as the Messiah - the WORD of God.
John wrote what the Holy Spirit inspired him to write. John, unlike you, wasn't just making stuff up out of whole cloth and assigning names to God by his own fiat decision.
He was blessed as the promised Messiah to share the one and only image God created for his personal use. It was the same image God shared with Adam
Utter nonsense!!! Jesus was the Son of Mary too, Ps82! That is, He was a biological child of Mary. If He physically looked like anyone, it would have been her and perhaps her father.
I guess you don't accept the trinity explanation ... The Spirit, the Father, and the Son
My response of "What?" was not a rejection of anything, per se. It was me saying that what you had just said made no sense.
I had asked you:
- What to you is understood by these two truths?
God comes
[OT times] into the world and appears unto mankind in dreams, visions, and face to face while working.
God comes into the world
[NT times] and appears unto mankind face to face doing his works.
You didn't explain what these meant to you ... only that you thought I spoke jibberish. Sigh
One thing you should remember is that the entire thread is still right here for the entire world to read and so when you tell lies, it's very easy for people to know and to prove it. What I actually said was this....
"I can't even tell what it is you're talking about! It's literal gibberish!
Did John and Paul not have dreams and visions during the New Testament era?
Did Peter not speak of dreams and visions during his sermon after Pentecost?"
So first of all, I still cannot determine just what it is that you're trying to say that you want me to respond to and, far more importantly, the question is based on a demonstrably false premise, which is the false dichotomy that you present between the way God presented Himself in the Old Testament vs. the New Testament.
BTW, of course, John, Peter and Paul had dreams and visions ...
Oh! I thought you just said that I hadn't responded to your question!
but they came after the Lord had risen from the dead and gone to heaven.
Yeah, they came in the New Testament, just as you stated no longer happened.
Before that they saw God face to face as his own begotten Son. How many times does Christ need to repeat these truths??? "When you have seen me, you have seen the Father. The Father and I are one."
The New Testament dreams and visions did not happen to convey the truth that Christ and the Father are One. What are you even talking about?
Well, people saw God clearly in the OT face to face, in dreams and visions. Exodus 24 tells you that 74 people saw his body of heaven clearly and had food and drink in his presence and was not harmed. Read it for your self
It isn't in dispute!
Again, what are you even talking about?
Ah ha ... now I understand you. You do not believe that the Messiah was God incarnate ... the Emanuel. Well, that could lead to a lot of confusion.
You have seriously lost your mind. There isn't a syllable of what I said that any rational mind could use to come to such and idiotic conclusion.
Yep, There is no God - Other than ME. There is ONE God. He is the Father, Son and Spirit.
You would not get that from those passages though, Ps82!
You only get that from hindsight.
Your conclusions of what I write and insert is just confusion. When I put things inside brackets or parenthesis I am only adding truth found elsewhere in scripture which adds insight to the matter.
No you aren't! You are inserting YOUR DOCTRINE! Your doctrine is NOT scripture and you've done nothing at all to scripturally support, never mind establish, that doctrine. If you were to try, you'd do that same thing again, adding some other aspect of your doctrine into the scripture to make an argument for that. Eventually, you'd come all the way back around and thereby claim that the whole system is internally consistent but its really all one gigantic mess of question begging nonsense.
It should be so clear. The ONE and only God is an invisible Spirit. HE alone has manifested himself with a presence within his creation. In our case, he manifested himself unto the eyes of mankind. Even though he made a way for him to appear ... it was still God... an Emmanuel - God among us. Thus we have the
Guess you missed the truth: A just God and Savior. IOW, He was the Savior... appearing in flesh.
It was the first time anyone had ever seen God as his own begotten Son ... They had seen God as the Father with his body of heaven. Now they were seeing God the Son in mortal flesh for the first time. John 1:18
The noun is
God ... the appositive [word or phrase renaming or describing the noun] is the
Son. IOW, God was the Son!View attachment 11408
That simply is not what John 1:18 says! That's your doctrine being read into the passage. It is text book eisegesis!
You simply do not have the needed expertise to argue with the translation of practically every English bible ever printed.
