If he chooses life.
Isn't it reasonable to doubt Young Earth Creationism?
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If he chooses life.
Here is what awaits the Satan.
"Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty;
You corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor;
I cast you to the ground,
I laid you before kings,
That they might gaze at you.
You defiled your sanctuaries
By the multitude of your iniquities,
By the iniquity of your trading;
Therefore I brought fire from your midst;
It devoured you,
And I turned you to ashes upon the earth
In the sight of all who saw you.
All who knew you among the peoples are astonished at you;
You have become a horror,
And shall be no more forever." (Ezekiel 28:17-19)
Yes, but was the original intent (pre-Fall) for man to live forever?
It's our choice.
Adam didn't fall, he only sinned. We all have.
It wasn't a fall, it was by design.
Are you saying you're a Calvinist?
So what do you mean when you say, "it was by design"?
And you still haven't answered my question with an answer appropriate for the question.
Was God's intent, when He created man, for man to live forever with Him?
Calvanism is the belief that your whole life is predetermined by your god, and you are like a greyhound (well, not in the case of your avatar, obviously) running around a track following a lure. Your own free will is essentially irrelevant because whatever you think yourself, your destiny in your life and the afterlife has been already laid down, and you are just following the pattern to hell, or not.
A Calvanist would say there is more to it than that, but if you are called Calvanist as an insult, the above is what is meant by that.
Stuart
Good question. The stuff that makes up atoms, the matter, is essentially the same thing as what we call energy. The energy that makes up matter was converted from the gravitational energy of the inflation at the beginning of the universe. Matter is all borrowed from the Big Bang.
It took a while for the universe to cool down after the Big Bang, cool enough to allow atoms to form and stay together. That's where all the hydrogen came from, and some helium and lithium.
The rest of the atoms, the heavier ones than those three, came from processes within stars, especially very large stars that 'go nova' and explode, forcing atoms together with extreme forces, making new atoms.
Gold atoms are made when neutron stars collide, one of the freakier events in the universe.
You are star stuff: your atoms were made in a star (except the hydrogen atoms). Since stars are nuclear reactors, you can also say that we are all nuclear waste...
Thanks for asking the question!
Stuart
I can't promise anything.
I prefer to stay on topic. You asked a question at the top of the thread, I answered it. You seem to accept the answer.
I guess the thread is over. :idunno:
If you want to talk about something else, start a new thread, or if you're the conservationist type, change the topic on here.
It depends on whether the person wants eternal life.
It's a gift, but if a person doesn't want the gift it's not given.
It was God's intent that we choose.
He tells us to choose life, but we may choose not to.
Paul explains the carnal mind is enmity against God, for it is not subject to the law of God nor indeed can be. So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
It's the way humans were created. It's called human nature.
Perfectly natural.
We must change and be converted by Christ.
Yes, we can convert matter to energy. There's a formula as to how much energy.
What's the formula for converting gravitational energy to matter?
Gravity is a law of physics. Who invented physics?
Is there a lawgiver?
6days
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Romans 5, 1 Cor. 15 and more tell us that Jesus went to Calvary for the descendants of first Adam.
All in the new heaven and new earth will have been reconciled. (Reconciliation is for those who love Him 1 Cor. 2:9, James 2:5.} Jesus tells us that the fallen / demonic angels will be in eternal fire. Matt. 25:41
Lon
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You know what I figure? I figure if you are interested in true stats, you can type. If not? Not really a big deal (I provided a link in my post to another in thread immediately after answering you if you are interested).
It is basically your worldview, Jose. It is in your sig. It is in your conversation. As an atheist doing science, you've your own doctrinal bents.
I think I do agree, but not probably like you are thinking. If someone tells you answers, you 'might' go the long way to figure out how that figure came up, but you could also just take it at face value. It certainly doesn't mean one can't look, if they have a desire to do so, using the scientific method.
No, not at all. I GENERALLY think people who post sigs, mean it. If you don't, you 'might' consider changing it. Think "moniker," Jose. It is hard to get past it WHEN you portray the sig in your demeanor and discussion/debate structure. Sorry, Jose. You wrote and continue to write it yourself and it sticks. Whatever humor MUST be your own fault or doing, or however you like to think of it. So there it is and it is what it is: No nerve, just how I continually think of you, by your own hand.
Not necessarily theistic evolutionists, though I'd suspect them too. Nutshell: ANYONE who is a Christian and believes Christ created everything, is a 'creationist.' It would include anybody that believes God did anything to make life etc. happen. Your wife is a creationist if she is a Christian.
Lon
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I provided a link that says 'basically unchanged' so it looks MORE like wishful thinking to me.
Tnkrbl123!
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God created us as rational, inquisitive beings and I think to be a Christian does not mean you have to believe in a literal 6 day, 6000 year old earth. It is completely rational to question and explore these things and anyone who just blindly believes things that are told to them without questioning the things we know, why we know and how we know...well I think that there's definitely something wrong with that.
A faith that does not stand up to questioning or falls apart when looked into deeper is not a very good faith to place your entire life and being into being committed too.
I have struggled with this for a long time and I have seen many good arguments from very faithful, Christ loving Christians on both sides. And there never will be an answer to this topic that EVERY Christian will 100% agree upon because quite frankly the Bible is not a science book, it does not give us "scientific proofs" in the way we consider scientific proofs in today's day and age - thats not the point of the Bible. But a very important aspect of the Christian faith is FAITH and that is FAITH in things not seen and faith in things that our finite human brains have not yet, or never can understand.
But Christian faith is placing your faith in a God you have not seen yet through personal expirienxe and historical eye witness accounts we know is real - Jesus Christ our Lord and God. The God who created everything in existence.
The Bible does not say that "strict belief in a 6000year old earth is the way you are saved and the way you will spend eternity with God." Belief in a 6000 year old earth requires a lot of faith - and we may never know the truth until Jesus revels it to us when we are with Him (if He chooses to do at all) and when we are finally with Him I believe we won't be worried about these things because we will be face to face with the living God and nothing will ever be the same.
But whatever way a Christian believes is not a requirement for salvation and everlasting life - if it WAS then every person who came before "modern science" might be screwed or vice versa.
I know that doesn't seem like a very satisfying answer to your question but that's what I've come up with by grappling with this for years