Is White Privilege Real?

[Town Heretic]

:doh: it's the same data

I didn't present data on that, so like you I have no idea what you're talking about. I did, however, note the data relating to race and disparate treatment.

She's assuming something undemonstrated. Are the old committing the same crime with the same elements treated differently than the young? Does age and treatment differ with race? Interesting questions, but different ones and without data on hand to answer them.

Again, if she has it she's welcome to present it, though it won't actually rebut or answer the one I note.

Town: "if there's a disparity, there must be a bias"

Rather, where race is the distinguishing factor, the thing outside of the elements of a crime or the reason to suspect one, a bias is demonstrably in play.

 

[ok doser]

TH (or anybody else), do you acknowledge that cultural differences exist between racial groups?

if they do, white people are to blame

 

[annabenedetti]

obama was the nation's top LEO for eight years

While his was a historic presidency, the presidency isn't the whole of the power structure.

now, tell me what "power structures" you're interesting in discussing - law enforcement?

I just laid out a few: "social, corporate, governmental."

Why don't you start with corporate?

 

[Town Heretic]

TH (or anybody else), do you acknowledge that cultural differences exist between racial groups?

Cultural differences exist even within racial groups. In fact, not long ago I made the point that among whites those distinctions are the sharpest dividers. So the answer is that cultural differences exist and often involve race but are not by any means limited to that distinction.

 

[ok doser]

While his was a historic presidency, the presidency isn't the whole of the power structure.

no, it's the very pinnacle of the power structure

policy is set at the top

Why don't you start with corporate?

'cause i'm familiar with government/leo and am too busy to research corporate

 

[annabenedetti]

no, it's the very pinnacle of the power structure

Sorry, it's not set up that way. This country is an oligarchy, or you might say a state-subsidized shared monopoly.

And if you want to use Obama to represent the power structure because he's black, then you have to say that 44 out of 45 presidents were not black and that really messes with your premise.

'cause i'm familiar with government/leo and am too busy to research corporate

Never mind then.

 

[annabenedetti]

Cultural differences exist even within racial groups. In fact, not long ago I made the point that among whites those distinctions are the sharpest dividers. So the answer is that cultural differences exist and often involve race but are not by any means limited to that distinction.

Taking that further: there are greater differences within groups than there are between groups.

 

[Lon]

Disclaimer: I am not a politician nor any kind of voice for it. These are just my thoughts:
Any legislation that is passed as anti-discriminatory, that doesn't protect ALL people, is discriminatory. Kids today don't realize that and are functionally becoming the minorities they stand for. Loss of identity is a bad idea. There is nothing wrong with being different, lest we all become the same. We are currently out of balance. I'm all for a level playing field but people don't have a right to what others have simply by virtue of 'being different.' You have a right to WORK for the same thing I have, but not a right to take what I have. That's theft AND discrimination. Forget my color, if you don't have it, it is because you don't really want it. Stealing it doesn't give you the value needed to actually possess it. It doesn't matter what color you are. You might have to move. The 'way' you get something does not have to be the same. There is a point where accommodation is ridiculous and will never give you what you long for. You won't even enjoy your own diversity at that point.

Scripture says to do good to all men, starting with the family of God. It is discriminatory. Scripture tells us to take care of our families first (which is in that sense, racial). It is discriminatory. Socialism is against that. Democracy is for it. In the U.S. there is a push toward Socialism and Communism. It would have us think it is bad to discern and discriminate and to favor. We need to get over trying to be thought police lest we ruin ourselves as well, in the process.
*Again, just my thoughts, I'm no guru on this.

 

[rexlunae]

Disclaimer: I am not a politician nor any kind of voice for it. These are just my thoughts:
Any legislation that is passed as anti-discriminatory, that doesn't protect ALL people, is discriminatory. Kids today don't realize that and are functionally becoming the minorities they stand for. Loss of identity is a bad idea. There is nothing wrong with being different, lest we all become the same. We are currently out of balance. I'm all for a level playing field but people don't have a right to what others have simply by virtue of 'being different.' You have a right to WORK for the same thing I have, but not a right to take what I have. That's theft AND discrimination. Forget my color, if you don't have it, it is because you don't really want it. Stealing it doesn't give you the value needed to actually possess it. It doesn't matter what color you are. You might have to move. The 'way' you get something does not have to be the same. There is a point where accommodation is ridiculous and will never give you what you long for. You won't even enjoy your own diversity at that point.

Scripture says to do good to all men, starting with the family of God. It is discriminatory. Scripture tells us to take care of our families first (which is in that sense, racial). It is discriminatory. Socialism is against that. Democracy is for it. In the U.S. there is a push toward Socialism and Communism. It would have us think it is bad to discern and discriminate and to favor. We need to get over trying to be thought police lest we ruin ourselves as well, in the process.
*Again, just my thoughts, I'm no guru on this.

Hi Lon,

Never in my lifetime have I seen so many fragile white people insulting other peoples sensitivities, as I have in the last couple of years. It's really quite startling to see so many white people indulging in so much self-pity.

I'm not accusing you of that. But I'm wondering if you've noticed it.

Relatedly, there was another terrorist attack stopped today. Check it out (although, warning, the language quoted is quite vulgar):

http://www.live5news.com/story/3452...-the-spirit-of-dylann-roof?clienttype=generic

 

[jgarden]

So excelling is a privilege?

Yall don't even know what the word actually means.

Is "Angel4Truth" arguing that "whites" in America have excelled because they are inherently superior to other
"so-called" races?

 

[jgarden]

the conversation is not about historical holds on power

the discussion at hand is whether today - generations after the end of slavery, jim crow, legal discrimination - whites have an unfair advantage

Is "ok doser" seriously suggesting that "blacks" in America have ever enjoyed having the same advantages as their "white" counterparts?

 

[Crucible]

Is "ok doser" seriously suggesting that "blacks" in America have ever enjoyed having the same advantages as their "white" counterparts?

And what are these 'advantages'?

This is where your rhetoric fails and you all look like morons :wave2:

 

[ok doser]

Is "Angel4Truth" arguing that "whites" in America have excelled because they are inherently superior to other
"so-called" races?

except asians

asians are inherently superior to whites

 

[ok doser]

And what are these 'advantages'?

This is where your rhetoric fails and you all look like morons :wave2:

yeah, i'd kinda like to know where to line up for those "advantages" - i must have missed the "WHITE PEOPLE ONLY!!! memo that outlines it

 

[Crucible]

Is "Angel4Truth" arguing that "whites" in America have excelled because they are inherently superior to other
"so-called" races?

I don't know about 'inherently', but they have shown that they can be superior.

White people expanded and flourished.

And
Everyone hates them because of it.

Everyone wants to talk about 'racism'- maybe lets talk about everyone else' ridiculous prejudice against us white people, who further try to shame them by our ancestors :idunno:

These people you perceive as 'racist' are mostly just people who have gotten tired of the bullcrap. They are saying that instead of being made to feel guilty or obligated to help all these people that are hostile towards us, maybe we should just tell them to read between the lines.

Because black people kill us twice as much as we kill them, and yet they demanded that we adhere to their 'Black Lives Matter' thing- we were called racist for stating 'All Lives Matter'.
You see, because with liberals, white lives matter less.

And
With the Jews, they are consistently on the media talking garbage about Christian values, dragging Christian culture through the mud, and in the Supreme Court undermining the protections of Christians- and yet, there they are crying 'antisemitism' and demanding that the government step in as if we have some fundamental duty to serve their interest.
Jews lives matter more because they think they are solely God's people in a world of goyim.

White people are under attack and are called racist if they stand up for their selves- and they are tired of it- and you're shouts of racism and bigotry is losing it's influence one day at a time :wave2:

 

[glassjester]

Cultural differences exist even within racial groups. In fact, not long ago I made the point that among whites those distinctions are the sharpest dividers. So the answer is that cultural differences exist and often involve race but are not by any means limited to that distinction.

Can cultural differences lead to different behaviors?
I ask this semi-rhetorically.

Also, for the record, I am a man.

 

[glassjester]

Black people make up about 13% of the population, but account for 43% of people who murdered policemen (from 2004-2013). Is that because of white privilege?

 

[Town Heretic]

And what are these 'advantages'?

This is where your rhetoric fails and you all look like morons :wave2:

Rather, that is where you pretend to be ignorant and look even more so.

From the woman widely credited with establishing the phrase as a point of serious consideration, Peggy McIntosh, I present a selection of things she considered distinguished her experience and expectations from those of her friends who were of a different color.

"Daily effects of white privilege I decided to try to work on myself at least by identifying some of the daily effects of white privilege in my life. I have chosen those conditions that I think in my case attach somewhat more to skin-color privilege than to class, religion, ethnic status, or geographic location, though of course all these other factors are intricately intertwined. As far as I can tell, my African American coworkers, friends, and acquaintances with whom I come into daily or frequent contact in this particular time, place and time of work cannot count on most of these conditions:"

I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to mistrust my kind or me.

If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.

I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.

I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.

When I am told about our national heritage or about "civilization," I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.

I do not have to educate my children to be aware of systemic racism for their own daily physical protection.

I can talk with my mouth full and not have people put this down to my color.

I can swear, or dress in second hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty or the illiteracy of my race.

I can speak in public to a powerful male group without putting my race on trial.

I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.

I am never asked to speak for all the people of my racial group.

I can criticize our government and talk about how much I fear its policies and behavior without being seen as a cultural outsider.

I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk to the "person in charge", I will be facing a person of my race.

If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven't been singled out because of my race.

I can easily buy posters, post-cards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys and children's magazines featuring people of my race.

I can go home from most meetings of organizations I belong to feeling somewhat tied in, rather than isolated, out-of-place, outnumbered, unheard, held at a distance or feared.

If I declare there is a racial issue at hand, or there isn't a racial issue at hand, my race will lend me more credibility for either position than a person of color will have.

My culture gives me little fear about ignoring the perspectives and powers of people of other races.

I can worry about racism without being seen as self-interested or self-seeking.

I can arrange my activities so that I will never have to experience feelings of rejection owing to my race.

I can easily find academic courses and institutions which give attention only to people of my race.

I can expect figurative language and imagery in all of the arts to testify to experiences of my race.

I can travel alone or with my spouse without expecting embarrassment or hostility in those who deal with us.

I will feel welcomed and "normal" in the usual walks of public life, institutional and social.

 

[glassjester]

Police kill more whites than blacks, but minority deaths generate more outrage
Analysis contradicts widespread views about racial targets

“Adjusted for the homicide rate, whites are 1.7 times more likely than blacks die at the hands of police,” he said. “Adjusted for the racial disparity at which police are feloniously killed, whites are 1.3 times more likely than blacks to die at the hands of police.”

 

[ok doser]

... I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to mistrust my kind or me.

blacks can't do this

because, reasons

If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.

really?

a realtor or a rental manager is likely to overlook her financial instability (if she is financially unstable) just because she's white? :freak:

I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.

not if she moved into my neighborhood - i'd treat her like the retard she appears to be

I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.

black people can too

it's called the nightly news, and it covers rioting, thefts, murders, etc


that's enough



did you even bother reading this before you posted it?