Is the Holy Spirit Female?
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you must be a bit wacky:doh:
WatchmanOnTheWall
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Doh sorry I thought you were implying my belief the Holy Spirit is female was due to me be foolish or my folly. :doh:
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Jesus was fathered by means of the power of his Spirit, which is holy.
"Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit." (Matthew 1:18)
"But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, 'Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.'" (Matthew 1:20)
The holy Spirit is defined as the power of the Most High.
"The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you" (Luke 1:35)
The word power means force in Greek, not a person.
"Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit." (Matthew 1:18)
"But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, 'Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.'" (Matthew 1:20)
The holy Spirit is defined as the power of the Most High.
"The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you" (Luke 1:35)
The word power means force in Greek, not a person.
No, The Holy Spirit is not female:
John 14:16-17King James Version (KJV)
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
John 14:16-17King James Version (KJV)
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
freelight
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The truth as I see it.....
The truth as I see it.....
First we must understand that 'God' as pure 'Spirit' includes all gender, and also transcends gender, as The INFINITE by definition cannot be defined, limited, circumscribed or qualified according to our finite terms or concepts, ...but since Man is created/made in the 'image' and 'likeness' of 'God',...and 'Man' is comprised of both 'male' and 'female' forms and 'genders',...then 'God' MUST be the original SOURCE of both genders, so that referring to 'God' as our 'Father-Mother-God' is logical and appropriate, seeing that Spirit is the source of both genders.
I've expounded further on 'God and gender' in my commentaries here - see my comment below this blog post, as it points also to specific posts that I was banned for, in my objective, rational and logical expositing of the 'divine feminine', which I will still stand for in recognizing, because such observations are true to nature, and therefore must be true for 'Man' as well, since 'God' is the source of both.
I think it essential in first knowing and loving 'God' in the totality of his NATURE, the identity and character of his BEING, which intrinsically includes the nature, qualities and atrributes of BOTH 'male' and 'female' genders. That anyone would see this as blasphemous can only be based on false presumption and ignorance, since 'gender' is real as any other quality or attribute of the soul's nature, reflecting its very source who can be none other than 'God'. - God as our divine Parent is both our 'Father' and 'Mother'. To recognize less than this, or to ONLY emphasize or denominate 'God' as ONLY 'father' is illogical and erroneous, ALTHOUGH we by tradition in the conventional sense in the judeo-christian tradition, call 'God' FATHER. Of course we do, as Jesus taught us so. However, just because we do love and RELATE to 'God' as Father, does not negate or diminish the reality of 'God' as 'Mother'.
In this context then,...the 'Spirit' in hebrew feminine terms, denoting a 'quality' or 'nuance' of 'God' in a more feminine tone,... does not necessarily imply or prove the 'Spirit' is a kind of female personality, although we can personalize 'God' in this manner if we like,...there is still always and eternally One 'God', being 'echad'. - but 'God' is divine Parent, as 'Father-Mother', as Man represents 'God', therefore EQUAL recognition, respect and honor must be given to the 'feminine' as it is given to the masculine, since they are both in synergy within 'God' expressing his NATURE. - and this is true, as I so relate these impressions, regardless of anyone's ignorance or disrespect for 'God' or religious belief to the contrary.
Since our judeo-christian tradition in its esoteric schools is rich with at least some intuitive sense of the divine Mother, in the forms of Sophia (wisdom) and the Shekinah (abiding glory, indwelling presence), AND we are called to honor/respect our parents which INCLUDES both father and mother, it is perplexing that anyone deny God's nature, qualities and atrributes as a 'mothering-presence' or the divine feminine, since we are nutured by our own earthly mothers and women are just as much 'HU-MAN' and make up 'MAN' as any physical man does, since 'Man' does NOT exist without being BOTH 'male' and 'female' simultaneously. These are really basic universal metaphysical truths. Man is their living proof, which reveal 'God'.
In summary, in this dissertation I agree as I ever have with 'God' including both genders in his nature, and man being the expression and representation of 'God', naturally being the two as synergestically one. Failing to include and honor both equally is to fail and sin in one's appraisal of reality, in this context. God as Spirit is relating and communicating to us as both 'Father' and 'Mother',...there is One SPIRIT, yet different expressions, ministrations and personifications of the One Spirit. It just so happens that when we consider the Holy Spirit, expressing thru 'Sophia' and the 'Shekinah' in a motherly sense, expressing the feminine aspects of the Over-Soul of all creation, we naturally honor and respect the ONE who mothers us as well. (to disrespect or marginalize mother would be a crime). The One that gives life to all, who PARENTS all living beings...does so affectionately thru the personal forms, qualities and attributes of both genders.
One does not need to be dogmatic over assigning any given personality within a Godhead or God himself as being 'male' or 'female', but to recognize that God is the source of both, reveals himself thru BOTH aspects and personifications, while also trascending such, because Deity is INFINITE. Loving and worshipping 'God' must certain include the totality of this realization, and go well beyond it. It includes all terms, and is beyond terms.
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The truth as I see it.....
First we must understand that 'God' as pure 'Spirit' includes all gender, and also transcends gender, as The INFINITE by definition cannot be defined, limited, circumscribed or qualified according to our finite terms or concepts, ...but since Man is created/made in the 'image' and 'likeness' of 'God',...and 'Man' is comprised of both 'male' and 'female' forms and 'genders',...then 'God' MUST be the original SOURCE of both genders, so that referring to 'God' as our 'Father-Mother-God' is logical and appropriate, seeing that Spirit is the source of both genders.
I've expounded further on 'God and gender' in my commentaries here - see my comment below this blog post, as it points also to specific posts that I was banned for, in my objective, rational and logical expositing of the 'divine feminine', which I will still stand for in recognizing, because such observations are true to nature, and therefore must be true for 'Man' as well, since 'God' is the source of both.
I think it essential in first knowing and loving 'God' in the totality of his NATURE, the identity and character of his BEING, which intrinsically includes the nature, qualities and atrributes of BOTH 'male' and 'female' genders. That anyone would see this as blasphemous can only be based on false presumption and ignorance, since 'gender' is real as any other quality or attribute of the soul's nature, reflecting its very source who can be none other than 'God'. - God as our divine Parent is both our 'Father' and 'Mother'. To recognize less than this, or to ONLY emphasize or denominate 'God' as ONLY 'father' is illogical and erroneous, ALTHOUGH we by tradition in the conventional sense in the judeo-christian tradition, call 'God' FATHER. Of course we do, as Jesus taught us so. However, just because we do love and RELATE to 'God' as Father, does not negate or diminish the reality of 'God' as 'Mother'.
In this context then,...the 'Spirit' in hebrew feminine terms, denoting a 'quality' or 'nuance' of 'God' in a more feminine tone,... does not necessarily imply or prove the 'Spirit' is a kind of female personality, although we can personalize 'God' in this manner if we like,...there is still always and eternally One 'God', being 'echad'. - but 'God' is divine Parent, as 'Father-Mother', as Man represents 'God', therefore EQUAL recognition, respect and honor must be given to the 'feminine' as it is given to the masculine, since they are both in synergy within 'God' expressing his NATURE. - and this is true, as I so relate these impressions, regardless of anyone's ignorance or disrespect for 'God' or religious belief to the contrary.
Since our judeo-christian tradition in its esoteric schools is rich with at least some intuitive sense of the divine Mother, in the forms of Sophia (wisdom) and the Shekinah (abiding glory, indwelling presence), AND we are called to honor/respect our parents which INCLUDES both father and mother, it is perplexing that anyone deny God's nature, qualities and atrributes as a 'mothering-presence' or the divine feminine, since we are nutured by our own earthly mothers and women are just as much 'HU-MAN' and make up 'MAN' as any physical man does, since 'Man' does NOT exist without being BOTH 'male' and 'female' simultaneously. These are really basic universal metaphysical truths. Man is their living proof, which reveal 'God'.
In summary, in this dissertation I agree as I ever have with 'God' including both genders in his nature, and man being the expression and representation of 'God', naturally being the two as synergestically one. Failing to include and honor both equally is to fail and sin in one's appraisal of reality, in this context. God as Spirit is relating and communicating to us as both 'Father' and 'Mother',...there is One SPIRIT, yet different expressions, ministrations and personifications of the One Spirit. It just so happens that when we consider the Holy Spirit, expressing thru 'Sophia' and the 'Shekinah' in a motherly sense, expressing the feminine aspects of the Over-Soul of all creation, we naturally honor and respect the ONE who mothers us as well. (to disrespect or marginalize mother would be a crime). The One that gives life to all, who PARENTS all living beings...does so affectionately thru the personal forms, qualities and attributes of both genders.
One does not need to be dogmatic over assigning any given personality within a Godhead or God himself as being 'male' or 'female', but to recognize that God is the source of both, reveals himself thru BOTH aspects and personifications, while also trascending such, because Deity is INFINITE. Loving and worshipping 'God' must certain include the totality of this realization, and go well beyond it. It includes all terms, and is beyond terms.
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way 2 go
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that your gods are an amalgam of false gods and your answers have nothing to do with truth
:carryon:
jaybird
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my mistake, so what is an advocate/paraclete?
One who comes alongside.
jaybird
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come alongside and do what?
WatchmanOnTheWall
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While the NT says He the OT says She. Jesus said the OT could not be discredited;
John 10:35
The Scriptures cannot be discredited.
So do we reject what Jesus said and God's Word to believe the NT? What does the NT say about itself:
2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
If Paul is including the NT here is not clear but even it does it's not as ringing endorsement as God's Son saying it can not be discredited.
I prefer to believe God's son.
WatchmanOnTheWall
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No need to assume, the Bible clearly says that God the Father has Hands, Feet, Arms a Head and more: We are made in His image and the image of the HS. Gen 1: 'Let us make people in our image'
you asked for the meaning and i gave it to you.
jaybird
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i meant was there a practical purpose for the spirit. once its along side you, does it do anything else?
brings all remembrance to what Christ has said to us.
"My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous." (1 John2:1)
The word advocate is paraclete in the Greek.
jaybird
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kinda like a "helper".
yes