Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment biblical or not?

[Crucible]

1. One can absolutely believe in an eternal paradise without people needing to be tortured for infinity to power the generators.
2. So I take it that you will be ready to retract those words when I post what Justin actually said? Acknowledge yes or no please.

Here, I'll save you the trouble:

http://www.bible.ca/H-hell.htm

Hell is something which every religion that includes Jesus holds to. Primarily, Christians and Muslims. Hell is something that just comes with the belief, as Jesus did not warn so terribly that it's better for a person to be maimed or dismembered than to simply die in eternal sleep. It was most certainly about Hell, with the Valley of Hinnom being as symbolic to it as Rome being Babylon.

 

[freelight]

Infinite LOVE.......

Infinite LOVE.......

You are not a Christian. What you posit is not Christian. You are on a forum that, by your presennce, is it an adulterated forum. The same can be said regarding the disposition of Arthur's brain as well as Rosestwitch. . . satanic all.

The above video is presented for learning purposes only, not to promote the particular denomination or theology of the presenter.

I'm on my kindle fire tablet and having problems with embedding videos, so had to tinker a bit in editor mode

Stop the insanity.

Love wills salvation, healing, restoration.

Infinite love does not change.

However....that which is wholly taken over by iniquity and dominated by sin cannot endure and will perish.

 

[way 2 go]

Made up by Rosenritter's misunderstanding of what another said, in this case, lifeisgood.

Rosenritter fighting one straw man at a time

 

[way 2 go]

eternal conscious punishment deniers in which verse did Jesus lie ?

consciousness of the departed,
fire for the unrepentant to stand in

Luk 16:24**And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

consciousness of the departed,
a protected place with Abraham right next to the unpleasant place,


Luk 16:26**And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

 

[lifeisgood]

eternal conscious punishment deniers in which verse did Jesus lie ?

consciousness of the departed,
fire for the unrepentant to stand in

Luk 16:24**And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

consciousness of the departed,
a protected place with Abraham right next to the unpleasant place,


Luk 16:26**And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

Watch some say that is only for the lost sheep of the House of Israel.

 

[Cross Reference]

The above video is presented for learning purposes only, not to promote the particular denomination or theology of the presenter.

I'm on my kindle fire tablet and having problems with embedding videos, so had to tinker a bit in editor mode

Stop the insanity.

Love wills salvation, healing, restoration.

Infinite love does not change.

However....that which is wholly taken over by iniquity and dominated by sin cannot endure and will perish.

"And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead." Revelation 3:1 (KJV)

 

[Cross Reference]

Speaking of compromising with the world, Peter wrote this:

"For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire." 2 Peter 2:20-22 (KJV)

Do you all who think Peter's letters were strictly to the Jews and was limiting this to them as a warning but also to anyone else who had come into the salvation of God by Jesus Christ?

 

[Arthur Brain]

You are not a Christian. What you posit is not Christian. You are on a forum that, by your presennce, is it an adulterated forum. The same can be said regarding the disposition of Arthur's brain as well as Rosestwitch. . . satanic all.

Plenty of Christians don't believe in your sick doctrine. Most of the early church didn't either by way of. You wanna stick with some warped dogma that promotes the endless suffering of other people then you go right ahead.

 

[Cross Reference]

P

lenty of Christians don't believe in your sick doctrine.

I'll generous with you. Perhaps you like to explain why you believe my "doctrine" is sick? Go for it.

Most of the early church didn't either by way of. You wanna stick with some warped dogma that promotes the endless suffering of other people then you go right ahead.

I hope you have more than that bs to offer?

 

[ok doser]

always remember that not only is artie not a Christian, but that he's been rejecting the Salvation Message in all the time he's been here



can't get more retarded than that, eh?

 

[Arthur Brain]

I'll generous with you. Perhaps you like to explain why you believe my "doctrine" is sick? Go for it.

You'll "generous" with me will you? That's nice...

Well, it should be obvious but the interminable, unending suffering of other people is what's sick dude. You wanna believe in capricious cruelty then you go ahead. For most who haven't been either brainwashed into such dogma or possess something resembling love, empathy etc it remains for what it is. Sick.

I hope you have more than that bs to offer?

It's not 'bs' as much as you may like to claim so.

 

[ok doser]

Well, it should be obvious but the interminable, unending suffering of other people is what's sick dude.

rapists and child molesters haven't earned their punishments?

 

[way 2 go]

Plenty of Christians don't believe in your sick doctrine.

plenty of non christian believe in hell

Most of the early church didn't either by way of.

You wanna stick with some warped dogma that promotes the endless suffering of other people then you go right ahead.

we have your permission to believe Jesus

Mat 25:46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

 

[way 2 go]

always remember that not only is artie not a Christian, but that he's been rejecting the Salvation Message in all the time he's been here



can't get more retarded than that, eh?

artie should commit these verses to memory

Mat 12:36**But I say to you, that every idle word, whatever men may speak, they shall give an account of it in Judgment Day.
Mat 12:37**For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.

 

[Rosenritter]

Rosenritter fighting one straw man at a time

Do you even know what that term means? Please, as our representative logically challenged tormenter, attempt to present at least two arguments that I created and assigned to someone else here for the purpose of avoiding their actual argument.

 

[Arthur Brain]

plenty of non christian believe in hell

we have your permission to believe Jesus

Mat 25:46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

Well if it isn't Captain Gifmeister at the 'helm' again.

You really are one puerile individual. Some day you might just learn what love entails and involves. It's in Corinthians if you're interested. You reflect nothing of the sort.

 

[Arthur Brain]

artie should commit these verses to memory

Mat 12:36**But I say to you, that every idle word, whatever men may speak, they shall give an account of it in Judgment Day.
Mat 12:37**For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.

Does the same go for your stupid gifs?

lain:

 

[Arthur Brain]

rapists and child molesters haven't earned their punishments?

According to folk like you, plenty of victims of atrocities end up in this eternal "hell" you ascribe to. That includes rape victims, murder victims, victims of 9/11 etc.

Dumb call to make that argument but then I am addressing the resident troll who could care less anyway...

 

[Cross Reference]

always remember that not only is artie not a Christian, but that he's been rejecting the Salvation Message in all the time he's been here



can't get more retarded than that, eh?

I have found that all God haters are wilfully stupid. Strange phenomenon that.

 

[Cross Reference]

The above video is presented for learning purposes only, not to promote the particular denomination or theology of the presenter.

I'm on my kindle fire tablet and having problems with embedding videos, so had to tinker a bit in editor mode

Stop the insanity.

Love wills salvation, healing, restoration.

Infinite love does not change.

However....that which is wholly taken over by iniquity and dominated by sin cannot endure and will perish.

God alone can only will love because He IS Love. His Name IS Love. Learn that. Seek Him while His LOVE can yet be found.