All people who are now saved were once at enmity with God and unbelievers.
TULIP and Calvinism is wrong, but that does not mean AMR is wrong about everything.
Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment biblical or not?
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All people who are now saved were once at enmity with God and unbelievers.
TULIP and Calvinism is wrong, but that does not mean AMR is wrong about everything.
God's Truth
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In other words, you cannot answer the question.
The spirit makes the physical body a living soul.
I can be real patient with all kinds of people. Tell me, why did you say, “Was anything mentioned about spirits? You are a contentious person. There is help for you though, you are going to have to repent and call on Jesus.
This scripture is telling us that men can kill the body, but not the soul (the body with its spirit).
In the Old Testament times, some things were still a mystery. In the Old Testament times, it was about earthly man, but the New Testament is about what is Spiritual. The New Testament is where the mystery is revealed.
With an unknown, what in the world are you trying to say?
By us, what in the world does that mean?
The scriptures say forever and ever.
Ask yourself these questions…ask yourself why Jesus says the fire does not end, the punishment is eternal, and the worm that eats them does not even die. Ask yourself why Jesus says those things if he really meant that it will only feel like forever? Ask yourself why Jesus said it would be better if Judas had never been born. Ask yourself why Jesus did not say Judas would get relief when he dies.
God's Truth
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You are speaking nonsense. Why are you being contentious? We are not saved until we believe in God and love Him.
What else is there about AMR's beliefs that are not about Calvinism?
Levolor
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Maybe I should ask you: Why did you ask "How do spirits die"? And then tell you that you are a contentious person.
That is one of the things it is saying. It also supports what I said: souls die.
How come you didn't ask these questions after my original post addressing the same issue?
The whole post concerned the phrase for ever and ever. Check it out.
In your interpretation you have God torturing people and being less than loving. Your interpretation is faulty for portraying God in such a way. Even in His requiring justice, God is not evil.
I already know the reasons and the answers to these questions. If you did also, you would not be portraying God as evil.
Trinitarianism is not unique to Calvinism. The same with salvation by grace through faith apart from works, virgin conception/resurrection of Christ, Bible as the Word of God, etc. Calvinism is mostly a view on soteriology/providence, not the other essential truths held by non-Calvinistic Christians also.
Dear God's Truth,
Levolor, you are wrong. I'm sorry to say that since we are both friends. See Rev. 20:5. Satan, the beast, the antichrist, the false prophet (Jean-Pierre Girard), all will spend the rest of eternity in the lake of fire, and those also whom God chooses, including the 666 persons that were deceived by the antichrist (Uri Geller). I know you don't know how I know this or who is who, but if you want to know for sure, read my book. It's FREE on my website, or costs $14 from Barnes & Noble, and Amazon. FREE is best. I'm not trying to make any money at all from my book. It is just my testimony as I've witnessed from the Lord, angels and the Holy Spirit. Go to:
www.jesusreturningverysoon.com
That is my website. Go there and click on the words 'Book Copy' and then click on SKU-text, and the first page of my book will come up on your screen. Just use your up and down cursor arrows to flip through the pages. It's only 88 pages long. You will find out who I am there also.
May God Urge You To Take The Initiative,
Much Love in Christ,
Michael
Levolor, you are wrong. I'm sorry to say that since we are both friends. See Rev. 20:5. Satan, the beast, the antichrist, the false prophet (Jean-Pierre Girard), all will spend the rest of eternity in the lake of fire, and those also whom God chooses, including the 666 persons that were deceived by the antichrist (Uri Geller). I know you don't know how I know this or who is who, but if you want to know for sure, read my book. It's FREE on my website, or costs $14 from Barnes & Noble, and Amazon. FREE is best. I'm not trying to make any money at all from my book. It is just my testimony as I've witnessed from the Lord, angels and the Holy Spirit. Go to:
www.jesusreturningverysoon.com
That is my website. Go there and click on the words 'Book Copy' and then click on SKU-text, and the first page of my book will come up on your screen. Just use your up and down cursor arrows to flip through the pages. It's only 88 pages long. You will find out who I am there also.
May God Urge You To Take The Initiative,
Much Love in Christ,
Michael
Girard is someone who came having the same powers/abilities as Uri Geller (a Jew), to bend spoons, read minds, with his right hand and mind/forehead. Uri Geller's powers are not just magic. You would never believe me if I told you how I know. Anyway, Girard coming with the same powers/abilities causing Uri's deadly wound to be healed (because they were saying he just did it all with sleight-of-hand). Uri will urge six hundred sixty six other persons to acquire the same powers as he has and that is his number, like the number of a captain's soldiers, or the followers of a leader. Do you understand me?? An angel visited me and told me these things. See, I said you wouldn't believe me. I have had quite a life, to say the very least.
In God's and Jesus' Love,
Michael
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God's Truth
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The trinity doctrine is false.
Faith alone is dead it cannot save anyone. The works we do not have to do are the ceremonial works, like circumcision.
You sound desperate.
No, Calvinism goes against the Word of God. The Bible says that Jesus died for everyone. The Bible says we are to believe and obey to be saved, and to stay saved. Jesus also warns us, but Calvinists denies that too.
God's Truth
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A soul is a body made alive by the spirit. The spirit does not die.
Just answer the questions and stop being even more confusing.
It is not my interpretation. The Bible plainly and clearly says what it does.
You prove you are evil.
You are a wicked person. You cannot answer the question only blasphemy God.
Hi GT, I didn't know that you believe that the trinity doctrine is false.
I believe that God the Father is God, and also Jesus Christ, His only begotten Son, is fully God and also fully man, and I believe that God comes to us in the person of the Holy Spirit, Who is also Fully God.
I also didn't know that you reject the doctrine of Sola Fide, Salvation by Faith alone.
I believe that the Divinity of Christ and salvation by faith in Him apart from works are essential for Christianity. Whether or not God tortures people in Hell is fun to discuss, but these issues are far more important.
I don't know if you respect my opinion or not, but I suggest that you do some research on the Trinity and Sola Fide.
Blessings to you,
Tim
Where the fire is not quenched and the worm dies not, is Gehenna. "Everlasting punishment" is a poor translation of κόλασιν αἰώνιον. "The everlasting punishment" meaning their wicked behavior is corrected permanently. In the comparison of the rich man and Lazarus, we see that hell is a temporal place in Heaven. Just because it is temporary, it doesn't mean you should go there.
Furthermore, the narrow gate and wide gate comparison is about entering the Kingdom of God like Enoch. It was temporary thing related to early church and the kingdom of the heavens (lit. elevations).
Furthermore, the narrow gate and wide gate comparison is about entering the Kingdom of God like Enoch. It was temporary thing related to early church and the kingdom of the heavens (lit. elevations).
God's Truth
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You just spoke against the trinity doctrine right there. You need to study more what you claim to believe.
I believe that God the Father is God, and Jesus Christ. Trinitarians do NOT believe that. Trinitarians say that God the Father and Jesus Christ are not the same.
There is no such thing as faith alone. Faith alone is only mentioned once in the Bible, and it is to tell us what kind of faith NOT to have. Even the demons believe and so something, they shudder. Faith without works is dead it cannot save anyone. The works we do not have to do is the ceremonial works. People misunderstand Paul. Right after Peter says the unstable and ignorant misunderstand Paul---he warns us to obey. See 2 Peter 3:16, and 2 Peter 3:17.
God has blessed me greatly.
You need to consider more carefully, what you believe. It is as if someone told you what he or she said was the truth, and you just accepted it, without studying it.
Wow....another bizarre musing from you that lacks credibility and evidence. This is not the Holy Spirit in you, but your flesh or a seducing spirit.
Uri Geller is an ordinary magician who uses a combination of sleight of hand, misdirection and technology. He's a good one because over the years he has created an aura of mentalism to bolster his reputation. He could do rabbits out of hats or slice a lady in half but of course he doesn't because he wants to retain an image of mystique. I know this because I also am an amateur magician and I know how all this stuff is done. If he had supernatural powers you would be seeing him bending wooden spoons. But more likely if he truly had them, he would keep it to himself.
These things happen to deceive us. There is nothing special in doing a miracle if you have the power to do one. What is special is living in the world by the power of the spirit and doing ordinary things like helping your neighbour with his washing up or his garden when he is unwell and refraining from taking drugs when all your friends are. Or not stealing when you have the chance to. Or being patient for 50 years looking after your disabled daughter.
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Levolor
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Indeed.
Exactly. And, all the while retaining a gentle, kind, joyful, full of fruit countenance that is real and not a facade because it is the power of the spirit working within.
Levolor
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Not a problem. Every one of us could be totally wrong with what we believe... some admit it and others don't.
As you may know, I maintain (believe) that it won't matter so much what we have believed when we stand in judgement before God as how well we have loved one another that will matter.
Jesus left us one commandment: to love one another as He loves us. He also said: Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. John 15:13
The person who wishes to destroy another, in any degree, for believing and thinking differently hasn't yet laid his life down. Even if it is only 'cutting' another down on a forum.
I've been to your site.... it was months ago. I don't spend a lot of time online and became distracted and haven't returned. Please accept my apologies for not finishing.
~Merry Christmas to all~
I love celebrating the birth of the Christ child ~ especially when it's within another!
freelight
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luminous being......
luminous being......
After all, that's what its about,...having the 'Christ' be born within us, the hope of glory (immortalty/eternal life). - such is the seed, light and anointing of divinity within. Furthermore, 'God' is not just 'within' of course, but also 'without' and all-pervading. It is that 'Light' that we celebrate.
A doctrine of ECT does not celebrate such, nor can it.
pj
luminous being......
After all, that's what its about,...having the 'Christ' be born within us, the hope of glory (immortalty/eternal life). - such is the seed, light and anointing of divinity within. Furthermore, 'God' is not just 'within' of course, but also 'without' and all-pervading. It is that 'Light' that we celebrate.
A doctrine of ECT does not celebrate such, nor can it.
pj