I Support Capital Punishment

[Jabez]

For me,God created life and it is his to take away.Think about that for a min,whats worse if humankind kills a man hes dead,but if God kills a man hes really dead.Man onlys kills the flesh and the soul remains.The much more severe punishment is Gods.Its a hard pill to swallow human emotions get in the way,but we must remember its Gods way not our own.

 

[BillyBob]

That didn't answer my question.

He learned that from you!

 

[BillyBob]

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Did God give us commision to make life?

Yes!

Maybe we should call you 'Freakenstein'.

"It's aliiiiiiive!!!"

 

[Freak]

Good to see you back and posting Freak ! Iam glad your here..

Thank you, my friend. Good to see you too. :thumb:

 

[Freak]

For me,God created life and it is his to take away.

As I stated in my first post:

I firmly believe God directly executes judgment, according to His will and discretion, and death upon men and nations for certain offences. But this is God's prerogative not man's (nor a governments).

 

[PureX]

For me,God created life and it is his to take away.Think about that for a min,whats worse if humankind kills a man hes dead,but if God kills a man hes really dead.Man onlys kills the flesh and the soul remains.The much more severe punishment is Gods.

Right. And of course we only want the WORST punishment for our fellow men. *smile*

 

[BillyBob]

I wonder when Knight is gonna weigh in on this one......

 

[Servo]

Of course but that does not include putting people to death. The Old Law which called for the death penalty has been annulled “because of its weakness and unprofitableness” (see Hebrews 7:18).

Hebrews 7
18For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness, 19for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.

Freak, so does this mean all laws are now null and void? Is it ok to steal now? Or does it mean that we come to Christ though grace and are not saved because of the law?

 

[Freak]

Hebrews 7
18For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness, 19for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.

For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness, for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.

And inasmuch as He was not made priest without an oath (for they have become priests without an oath, but He with an oath by Him who said to Him:
"The LORD has sworn
And will not relent,
"You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek"')
by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.

Freak, so does this mean all laws are now null and void? Is it ok to steal now? Or does it mean that we come to Christ though grace and are not saved because of the law?

Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, a Minister of the sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Lord erected, and not man.
For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices. Therefore it is necessary that this One also have something to offer. For if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are priests who offer the gifts according to the law; who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, "See that you make all things according to the pattern shown you on the mountain." But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.

The New Covenant is a superior covenant...based on "better promises." The Old Covenant which called for tithes, sabbath keeping, animal sacrifices, the death penalty, etc has been done away with, in light of the establishment of a better covenant. What Covenant do you presently live under?

As the Scriptures, the objective truth by which we should live by, states:

In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete.

 

[Servo]

Freak, are unbelievers still under the law? Administratively, are believers still under the law? Can a Christian commit adultery or steal from his neighbor because he is under grace? We are not talking about the issue of SALVATION here. We are talking about implementing a JUSTICE SYSTEM and the government's role, ordained by God, to administer JUSTICE. You are confusing The Law (10 Commandments) with law (Government) - God's appointed administrator of justice.

 

[Freak]

Freak, are unbelievers still under the law?

Unbelievers, in light of Gal 3:24, are placed under the "charge" of the law to lead them to Jesus not to put them to death.

Administratively, are believers still under the law?

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them." But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for "the just shall live by faith." Yet the law is not of faith, but "the man who does them shall live by them."

Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.

We are NOT under the Old Covenant-law. We are under the New Covenant. Does this mean we do away with the Old? No! We understand the Old through the lens of the New.

Can a Christian commit adultery or steal from his neighbor because he is under grace?

No, because the New Covenant calls these sins evil.

We are not talking about the issue of SALVATION here. We are talking about implementing a JUSTICE SYSTEM and the government's role, ordained by God, to administer JUSTICE. You are confusing The Law (10 Commandments) with law (Government) - God's appointed administrator of justice.

The New Covenant deals with the implementation of God's criminal justice system--it's just you'd like to bring the priniciples of the Old to bear on the New. And I'm telling you--the old has been annuled because of its "weakness and unprofitableness."

For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law.

The New Covenant offers life and redemptive justice. The Old Covenant cannot bring righteousness in this dispension.

 

[Agape4Robin]

For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness, for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.

And inasmuch as He was not made priest without an oath (for they have become priests without an oath, but He with an oath by Him who said to Him:
"The LORD has sworn
And will not relent,
"You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek"')
by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.



Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, a Minister of the sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Lord erected, and not man.
For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices. Therefore it is necessary that this One also have something to offer. For if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are priests who offer the gifts according to the law; who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, "See that you make all things according to the pattern shown you on the mountain." But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.

The New Covenant is a superior covenant...based on "better promises." The Old Covenant which called for tithes, sabbath keeping, animal sacrifices, the death penalty, etc has been done away with, in light of the establishment of a better covenant. What Covenant do you presently live under?

As the Scriptures, the objective truth by which we should live by, states:

In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete.

Covenant is not law! :doh:

 

[Freak]

Covenant is not law! :doh:

The OT Law was found under the Old Covenant. :doh:

 

[Agape4Robin]

The OT Law was found under the Old Covenant. :doh:

still not the covenant.....
BTW....which covenant would you be referring to?

 

[Freak]

still not the covenant.

Where is the OT Law located at?

BTW....which covenant would you be referring to?

:bang:

 

[Justin (Wiccan)]

Greetings, Freak

:bang:

It's a legitimate question, Freak. I can think of four separate covenants in the OT without even making my braincells break into a sweat.

Justin

 

[Agape4Robin]

Where is the OT Law located at?
:bang:

In the first 5 books of the bible..

What??!!!! There is more than one covenant, right? Or is it dispensation I'm thinking of?

 

[Freak]

Greetings, Freak



It's a legitimate question, Freak. I can think of four separate covenants in the OT without even making my braincells break into a sweat.

Justin

There are two covenants--the old and new.

"But the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, and it is founded on better promises.
For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another."

 

[Freak]

In the first 5 books of the bible..

Old Testament law is found in various places in the Old Covenant.

What??!!!! There is more than one covenant, right? Or is it dispensation I'm thinking of?

Yes, there are 2 covenants--the old and new.

"But the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, and it is founded on better promises.
For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another."

 

[Agape4Robin]

Old Testament law is found in various places in the Old Covenant.

Yes, there are 2 covenants--the old and new.

"But the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, and it is founded on better promises.
For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another."

Ok...I get that. :thumb:
But most states in the U.S. have death penalty laws. God says he placed our government over us and we must obey the law. So, if a murderer or rapist defies the law, then they reap the obvious penalty of their crime.
Statistics show that such people who commit these crimes are not rehabilitated. It is our governments job to remove these people from society. It is not the governments job to help them find forgiveness in Christ.
Not to mention that the average time spent on death row is approximately 8-15 years!