HOW TO GET TO HEAVEN WHEN YOU DIE
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marhig
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How don't you get it, that he didn't need to teach grace, because grace and truth came by him. And we receive the grace of God through him, why can't you see that?
drbrumley
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I won't knock ya.
But at least we are moving in the right direction.
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popsthebuilder
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John 15: 1. "I am the Vine--the True Vine, and my Father is the vine-dresser. 2. Every branch in me--if it bears no fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3. Already you are cleansed--through the teaching which I have given you. 4. Continue in me, and let me continue in you. Just as the branch cannot bear fruit of itself--that is, if it does not continue in the vine--so neither can you if you do not continue in me. 5. I am the Vine, you are the branches. He who continues in me and in whom I continue bears abundant fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing. 6. If any one does not continue in me, he is like the unfruitful branch which is at once thrown away and then withers up. Such branches they gather up and throw into the fire and they are burned.
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exactly.
If we appreciate God and Jesus for what they have done for us, we will not boast our works and praise God for all the good things.
Our salvation is because of their grace.
The irony is palpable here.
There will NOT be a single Final Judgement. The unbelievers (those who died without Christ, etc) will stand before God and be judged according to their works. (Revelation 20:12) The believers (Faithers) will be judged regarding their rewards for things done while in the flesh. There will be NO condemnation/judgement for the believers. (Faithers)
popsthebuilder
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That is very different from how I believe. Can you show the texts where judgement means reward, or about two separate judgements please?
I don't think we are to do with reward in mind really...that isn't to say that believers won't attain to some new creation or new earth and heaven, but just that that isn't right motive to me.....I would like to go over the texts I specified though if you are interested.
Seems to me there would be no condemnation due to the fact that they actual lived in belief; pleasing to GOD by the direction of the Lord.
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You ought to stay out of any discussion relating to salvation, eternal life, Grace, etc. You're NOT in a position to preach, you're in a position to listen and learn. You don't realize it, but you're in a very perilous, Spiritual situation. If you should leave this world in the near future, you will die without the Gospel that the ascended Lord Jesus Christ gave to the Apostle Paul.
2 Corinthians 5:10, 1 Corinthians 3:8, are a couple of the verses that speak of rewards. So far as the rewards going to the unsaved; there are none. Those unbelievers will be judged by their works and subsequently be cast into the Lake of Fire for eternity. One might ask; "If those unbelievers will be judged according to their works, maybe they will have more good works than bad?" The answer to that is in Isaiah 64:6. Without Christ there is no reward for good works, there is only judgement, and eternal suffering. That's why it's so important to hear the Gospel and place one's faith in Christ as their Savior. There's only one Gospel for today and that's the Gospel that the Apostle Paul preaches in Romans through Philemon.
We will see if you are right. I know you are dead wrong with your kind of spirit. You dont have Jesus' loving spirit. You are filled with hate.
blessings.
glorydaz
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I've already asked you for the scripture that supports your claim. You're clearly misunderstanding something. Post it so we can all see what you're referring to.
Oh, I forgot to mention during my last post, you have absolutely no Spiritual Discernment or any other kind of discernment. Actually, you can barely articulate in the English language. Why not go to school and learn instead of sitting at your computer posting tons of ignorance on innocent bystanders?
glorydaz
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This is the unveiling of Jesus Christ. God gave Him the center stage in this final drama, as He had prevailed.
Rev. 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
Rev. 22:6 And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.
And here He is UNVEILED. The great I AM....just as He said when He walked among us.
Rev. 1:13-18 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. 16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. 17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
glorydaz
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Why do you see hate in other people? What makes you so unloving and suspicious?
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opcorn:popsthebuilder
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That would seem quite malitious to anyone honestly seeking to know of a GOD of life.
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This is good example of how you test the spirit.
glorydaz
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Yep, this is how the twisting begins. :nono:
The revelation of Jesus Christ...... It is Jesus Christ who does the unveiling....
Galatians 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.[/INDENT]
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