How Protestants got sucked into the Rapture
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Livelystone
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Yes I do, the same way the boat was immediately on the other side
When we physically die we too appear immediately on the other side
AMEN and the garments are changing NOW.....Peace
So....a twinkling of an eye is out too, huh.
So...you believe Luke when he says Philip was 'caught up/harpazo', but you don't believe Paul when he says that we shall be 'caught up/harpazo'.
Hey look, Tet doesn't know what a prophetic vision is!
1Mind1Spirit
Literal lunatic
daqq addressed this in post 54.
C'mon Steko, you might wanna try some coffee instead of those hot calcium drinks.
Nice post
Exodus 33:4-6
4. And when the people heard these evil tidings, they mourned: and no man did put his headgear upon himself.
5. For YHWH said unto Moshe, Say unto the sons of Yisrael, You are a stiffnecked people: I will come up into the midst of you in one wink of an eye and consume you! Now therefore put off your headgear from you; and I know what I will do unto you.
6. And the sons of Yisrael snatched off their headgear from mount Horeb.
Livelystone
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It is not a case of not believing what God can do but knowing what the plan of God for man has always been......... and it is never to take His church physically off of the earth.
Back in 86 I was with 3 others in a car going from Ocho Rios to Port to Antonio Jamaica at 2am on very treacherous roads (they are probably much better now). I had drifted off to sleep when suddenly my mother's voice of her forever closing words to me every time we talked of "Douglas I love you and pray for you every day" woke me up from me deep sleep only to notice it was to late to warn me because my friend had fallen asleep at the wheel and we were headed straight off of a cliff to certain death 500 feet below amongst rocks and breaking surf.
I grabbed the wheel which woke my friend up who took it over but there was no more time left as the car was already bouncing on the rocks next to the edge and road was making a hairpin curve around the side of a mountain that stuck out into the sea. The girls in the back seat were screaming (his wife my girlfriend) and because I did not want my girlfriend to die while experiencing so much fear I turned and looked at her in the eye so the last thing she would experience on earth would be knowing she was loved
Suddenly, and with no explainable reason we were sitting still back in the MIDDLE OF THE ROAD as if a unseen hand had plucked the car out of the air and set it down gently back on the road. My friend turned and said "Doug, that was great you just saved everyones life". My reply was, "no I did not do it my mother did" although I knew there was more to it. That was when he said, "I don't know how this has happened because we had already gone off the edge"
For sure had we somehow managed to avoid death on our own accord the car would have come to a stop after slowing down and sliding to a stop on the road side of the rocks that marked the edge of the cliff rather than suddenly sitting still in the middle of the road.
This is a modern day case of 4 people in a car defying all odds and explanations that was still 14 years before I returned to walking with the Lord.
If I learned anything from the above is, for sure I KNOW God can and will physically lift us up of the earth from where we are to where he wants us to be without any contribution to this happening coming from us. In addition to this the above is testimony to Christian parents who continue on with daily prayer for their children who have left the Lord and joined themselves to the world
Amen, good testimony....I heard of another incident similar to this one, years ago. Peace
Right Divider
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I did NOT say that they had something to "do with the rapture".
My point is that God "catching up/away" is NOT something completely unknown in the scripture prior to Paul revealing this about the body of Christ.
Right Divider
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Which church?
Interplanner
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All Paul was doing in those passages about being change in a moment was explaining what happens to people alive at the very last moment of history. It applies to very few relative to the total number of believers down through time. Obviously there needs to be some way for them to be changed into their eternal life. It is a death, of sorts.
Livelystone
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The remnant AKA called out ones who responded to the call to come out of Babylon where all of Christianity went into after the last apostle died
These are the ones who will take Zion that is in the clouds where they are caught up to be with the Lord in the clouds.......... however Zion is on earth that was the highest point of worship in Jerusalem (the church) and is where the tabernacle of David was set up that God has promised to raise back up
God has always appeared unto man from clouds such as at the ark of the covenant in the clouds of smoke from incense burned on the golden alter representing the prayers of the saints, (Rev.8:4 KJV) to the clouds over the jews in the wilderness to the clouds on Mt Sinai
Everyone knows you can't invent something that was written 1800 years prior. Nice try though tet !!
HisServant
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But you can twist a word and translate it into something that was never in the original meaning... the rapture is a classical example of doing so.
Right Divider
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So do think that the church which is His body is the same one as the church in the wilderness?
Do you think that a church that is made up of Jew and Greek is the same one where there is NEITHER Jew nor Greek?
Do you think that a church under the law is the same one that is not under the law, but under grace?
Livelystone
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What was 3500 years ago cannot be the same today albeit the history and prophecy surrounding the jews speak to us in metaphors and allegories that are for our edification
Seems to me you have already answered your own question
There is only one place the law as a schoolteacher to teach us what is needed to know on our side of the equation for the full statue of Christ being formed in us that is not hidden and locked up in mysteries is my book........ you are welcome to it for free just as everyone else is
The visible litmus test for who is worshipping God in spirit and in truth is seen through signs and wonders following their ministry......... not a ministry of signs and wonders but a ministry of truth that because of the truth being taught and known by them God gives them witness through signs and wonders with their prayers being answered in a way only God can do
Signs and wonders is the way God has always shown His approval on a people throughout history, and God does not change other than extending mercy in place of judgement
Anytime you have a sizable body of believers together someone at some point in time is going to be in need of a life saving or radical health changing miracle.......... but if there are never any miracles seen in said church is because God has turned His back on them. When he has done so it is for a reason that most often is false doctrines and false beliefs in the hearts of the believers present such as the church being physically taken off of the earth as well as other events that are never going to happen
Right Divider
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Their history is a bit more than JUST "metaphors and allegories that are for our edification".
I can see that you don't have much respect for God's Word.