Honey to Trump:. Stop the Drain the swamp biz or face impeachment
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annabenedetti
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Yes.
No, it isn't.
How long has Putin been in power, again?
Not at all. The Russia of today resembles the Soviet Union in several key aspects, and inverts it in others. Every ideal that the Soviets had has been abolished, and rather than establish new ones, the Russian state wallows in self-pity and conspiracy theory. The elections they hold are neither fair nor free, the state exists to enrich only Putin and his shifting allies.
Putin is popular like Hitler was popular, like Saddam Hussein was popular, and all for the same reasons.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
if the russian population decides to give more of a crap about it than i do, they'll do something about it
until then? :idunno:
ClimateSanity
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ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
according to rex, that's not fair
ClimateSanity
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Attempts to overthrow the government, IS treason. Thats only one aspect also, see this for full legal reference :
18 U.S. Code Chapter 115 - TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-115
See the above post, the new york times likes to leave a lot of stuff off and just present the parts they like.
Apparently "ok doser" was literally "out to lunch" when all of America's 17 intelligence agencies concluded that the Russians were responsible for the DNC hacks which were leaked to influence the 2016 Election!
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
and that makes the entire country our enemy?
should we just nuke 'em and get it over with?
Given that 1945 was the last time anyone was "nuked," we can dispense with that "red herring!"
Anyone in Russia who has the courage to oppose Vladimir Putin ends up in jail, poisoned or dead - so what was former KGB head getting for the $10 million that he was paying Paul Manafort annually?
When Trump and his conservatives supporters, like "ok doser," start falling all over themselves, making excuses for Putin's efforts to influence the 2016 Election - WE HAVE OUR ANSWER!
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
well, no
we both still have huge arsenals
if they're our "enemy", shouldn't we be trying to destroy them?
meh :idunno:
annabenedetti
like marbles on glass
Here's another Putin victim:
Former Russian lawmaker who defected and became a Putin critic is gunned down in Ukraine
Days before his death, Putin critic said in interview he knew he was in danger
KIEV — In the plush, crimson-decked lobby bar of Kiev’s five-star Premier Palace Hotel, Denis Voronenkov, a Russian lawmaker who defected to Ukraine, knew he was in danger.
“For our personal safety, we can’t let them know where we are,” he said Monday evening as he sat with his wife for an interview with The Washington Post.
Less than 72 hours later, he was dead, shot twice in the head in broad daylight outside the same lobby bar. It was a particularly brazen assassination that recalled the post-Soviet gangland violence of the 1990s. His wife, dressed in black, sobbed as she stooped down to identify Voronenkov’s body, which lay beneath a black tarp in a pool of blood.
Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, just hours later, called the attack an “act of state terrorism by Russia.” As of Thursday evening, police had not identified the assailant, who died in police custody after being shot by Voronenkov’s bodyguard. Dmitry Peskov, a spokesman for Russian President Vladimir Putin, called the accusation a “fabrication.”
In the weeks before his death, Voronenkov, a former member of Russia’s pliant Communist Party, had told friends he was being targeted. Hackers had been trying to pry into his Twitter account and his wife’s email. He had received threatening text messages, and the police had recently assigned him a bodyguard. There were rumors he was under surveillance.
“It’s a totally amoral system, and in its anger it may go to extreme measures,” he said as he sat next to his wife, Maria Maksakova, a fellow parliamentarian who defected with him. “There’s been a demonization of us. It’s hard to say what will happen. The system has lost its mind. They say we are traitors in Russia.”
He said he could return only “when Putin is gone.”
At a time when the question of Russian influence dominates U.S. politics, Voronenkov’s death will add further scrutiny to the extent, and potential lethality, of Russia’s reach abroad. It remained unclear who might have wanted to killed Voronenkov — theories include Russian agents, Ukrainian nationalists or business interests — but the fact remains that he is just the latest Kremlin opponent to wind up dead.
“For our personal safety, we can’t let them know where we are,” he said Monday evening as he sat with his wife for an interview with The Washington Post.
Less than 72 hours later, he was dead, shot twice in the head in broad daylight outside the same lobby bar. It was a particularly brazen assassination that recalled the post-Soviet gangland violence of the 1990s. His wife, dressed in black, sobbed as she stooped down to identify Voronenkov’s body, which lay beneath a black tarp in a pool of blood.
Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, just hours later, called the attack an “act of state terrorism by Russia.” As of Thursday evening, police had not identified the assailant, who died in police custody after being shot by Voronenkov’s bodyguard. Dmitry Peskov, a spokesman for Russian President Vladimir Putin, called the accusation a “fabrication.”
In the weeks before his death, Voronenkov, a former member of Russia’s pliant Communist Party, had told friends he was being targeted. Hackers had been trying to pry into his Twitter account and his wife’s email. He had received threatening text messages, and the police had recently assigned him a bodyguard. There were rumors he was under surveillance.
“It’s a totally amoral system, and in its anger it may go to extreme measures,” he said as he sat next to his wife, Maria Maksakova, a fellow parliamentarian who defected with him. “There’s been a demonization of us. It’s hard to say what will happen. The system has lost its mind. They say we are traitors in Russia.”
He said he could return only “when Putin is gone.”
At a time when the question of Russian influence dominates U.S. politics, Voronenkov’s death will add further scrutiny to the extent, and potential lethality, of Russia’s reach abroad. It remained unclear who might have wanted to killed Voronenkov — theories include Russian agents, Ukrainian nationalists or business interests — but the fact remains that he is just the latest Kremlin opponent to wind up dead.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
they're a new democracy - you gotta expect some growing pains
heck, they're what - 24 years old?
what were we doing when we were 24 years old?
oh yeah
fighting the british, the mexicans and the indians
stole all sorts of territory from the mexicans and the indians :banana:
heck, they're what - 24 years old?
what were we doing when we were 24 years old?
oh yeah
fighting the british, the mexicans and the indians
stole all sorts of territory from the mexicans and the indians :banana:
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"Ok doser" is providing all the proof we need as to why Paul Manafort was being paid $10 million annually as an unregistered Russian agent - to act as a "matchmaker" between Putin and American conservatives!
No, they're a fake democracy. There's a difference. As bad as American democracy started out, it had the feature defining of democracies: the ruled had the power to change their leaders. Yeltsin handed power to Putin, who has held it since then, at times handing it to Medvedev to work around legal limits before taking it back directly again. He has his opposition shot or thrown of buildings, or poisoned in foreign countries.
Is this really the system you want imported here?
exminister
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Now you believe in polls :rotfl: