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lain:Good luck with that.
*TomO smiles passively as he reassembles the bolt carrier/gas piston group of his freshly cleaned M70AB2.
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lain:Good luck with that.
*TomO smiles passively as he reassembles the bolt carrier/gas piston group of his freshly cleaned M70AB2.
lightbringer
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Good luck with that.
:rotfl: Well, you know my stock pile of equipment, so, I hear ya!
Our government isn't why I have weapons ready.
Actually, we are much worse off in terms of debt. I realize you might not know it. They stopped payments like our social security. That is what has happened over there.
Irrelevant to the discussion.
If democrats and republicans are against debts, why do we have them? Have you ever stopped to think that maybe we have them by law? Social security, medicare, medicaid, and the intrest is drowning this country. It is undeniable. If government shut down, we would still have a deficit from the just mentioned "entitlement" programs.
| Worse off than Greece | |
Back to your regularly scheduled thread.
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2010/03/marine_ammo_031010w/
Maybe the better choice will happen when it would be easier logisitcally. Getting the Amry to change anything is even harder.
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2010/03/marine_ammo_031010w/
Before Marines in Afghanistan received enhanced 5.56mm rounds last month, an influential four-star general advocated behind the scenes for an option that packs even more punch: 6.8mm ammunition.
Three sources with knowledge of the Marine Corps’ acquisitions process confirmed Gen. James Mattis’ interest in the 6.8mm round, saying the head of Joint Forces Command in Norfolk, Va., lobbied for it as recently as December while pushing broadly for better service-rifle ammo.
“It’s something he was definitely interested in,” said one source, speaking on the condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the subject. “He was concerned with the stopping power of the M855,” the standard 5.56mm round that the U.S. military has used for decades.
Three sources with knowledge of the Marine Corps’ acquisitions process confirmed Gen. James Mattis’ interest in the 6.8mm round, saying the head of Joint Forces Command in Norfolk, Va., lobbied for it as recently as December while pushing broadly for better service-rifle ammo.
“It’s something he was definitely interested in,” said one source, speaking on the condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the subject. “He was concerned with the stopping power of the M855,” the standard 5.56mm round that the U.S. military has used for decades.
Maybe the better choice will happen when it would be easier logisitcally. Getting the Amry to change anything is even harder.
Good luck with that.
Let's not forget that scripted "roll call vote" changing the rules so conservatives can not win the RNC nomination, ever. I can post the video again, since technically it is relevant here.
You still think this is a free country with elections. Let me help you burst that fallacy.
| The RNC would block Reagan today | |
I think we should get together and brainstorm on this a bit. I does look like fun.
lightbringer
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I bet if you get with TomO you two could start one.
Saved.One.by.Grace
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I have an AK-47 (MAK-90) and two AR-15s that I built (actually, I just built the lower and specified the upper components). One is your standard 20" rifle barrel length and the other is 24" for longer targets. The one good thing about being married to a hoarder is there is plenty of cover inside the house. For inside the home protection, it depends on what room I'm in. With no children (not by choice), we have a number of options.
Saved.One.by.Grace
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Really it's like apples and oranges. They really were designed with different missions in mind.
My AR is an M4 variant. I didn't want to pay an extra $200 and wait months and months, so I took the 16" barrell instead of the 14.5". The 6.8SPC is quite efficient. The 20" barrell doesn't pick up enough steam to warrant the longer barrell.
lightbringer
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Please expand on your point, what were the different missions?
? Fire superiority on the battlefield is the only mission of the infantry's issue weapon, be it an AR or AK?
Saved.One.by.Grace
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Thanks for the info. I'd been toying with the idea of replacing the 20" barrel with a 16", but I have to get my finances in order. Medical bills really put us in a bind.
Brainstorm on what to blow holes in? Did you see the post where I said I built one...
...and tested it!
It is fun! Here is the firing pin assembly I came up with
lightbringer
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I am aware of the financial problems we and Spain face, thank you.
Nick M said:
? Never said they were for or against?
Nick M said:
I've already mentioned that fact earlier.
Nick M said:
OK, not something we can't fix if our reps in D.C. will get off their butts and do what we elected them to do!
Nick, I've been in country's that are not free. Whether you believe America to be free or not is irrelevant to me.
| The RNC would block Reagan today | |
Your video didn't play.
Hope you are in a better mood tomorrow...
Apology's to the other members for straying off topic.
Hey TomO, you got that AK back together yet?
Saved.One.by.Grace
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If you watch the videos above with Mr. Kalashnikov and Mr. Stoner, you'll understand what I mean. Not discussed in the videos (2 of 4) that I looked at was caliber. You want to wound your enemy on the battlefield so he/she becomes a burden to their comrades. The 7.62 x 39 is probably more likely to kill than a .223. But if the enemy abandons it's wounded, what is gained?
Reading the book, American Sniper, gives a good first-hand account of what is needed on the battlefield. If you're clearing houses you don't want a .50 cal. Chris Kyle (Navy Seal), I believe, used four or five different rifles depending on his mission. He's a solder and a hero so I'll take his words anytime.
The things "missing" on an AR can be retrofitted such as a gas piston system, larger caliber, etc. All this comes at a price. The AK47 is cheap to make and is used by every rebel army in the world. It's even pictured on at least one country's flag. It's not built for accuracy. The tolerances are generous so it always goes bang when the trigger is pulled.
lightbringer
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Wounding the enemy is good, killing them is better, taking the objective (area occupied by your enemy) is the goal.
The problem we had with then M-16 during Vietnam was primarily from the powder the ammo was first charged with..Stoner told the military that it needed a cleaner burning powder due to close tolerances of the machining of the chamber, our military decided to go with a different powder? We ended up with cartridges expanding in a dirty chamber and the bolt on the extraction cycle ripped the base of the casing off leaving the remainder of the cartridge in the chamber, A difficult jam to correct in training let alone while we were taking incoming rounds during combat.
As for the .223 being a light weight round it had the habit of ricocheting when it came in contact with underbrush/jungle (yes Vietnam is an area with heavy jungles) making it difficult to actually hit the enemy at times.
The original M-16 forearm and stock was made with a substandard plastic that would break when impacted. That was corrected later on but not during my time in country.
SOBG said:
I have no doubt that Chris Kyle was honestly giving his professional opinion as to what he needed on the battlefield, but keep in mind he is a special operator that has a great deal of advanced training with weapons and has access to what ever he needs for his mission...we were discussing the every day ground pounder, the grunt, the guy that goes out in force to wage war on the enemy, they are only trained in a few weapons (the issue rifle, pistol, light machine guns and some form of light rocket launcher such as the LAAW)
SOBG said:
The AK always goes bang when the trigger is pulled and you wouldn't believe how reassuring that sound is unless you had an AR jam up on you during a firefight.
Fortunately I had a friend in the armory that they stored our M-14's in when they took them from us and issued the M-16...he gave me my M-14 back when I asked for it...
The AK 47 is your enemy's choice of weapons due to proven battlefield accomplishments, it ain't the most accurate, it ain't the longest shooting rifle in the field but it gets the job done by going bang every time and penetrating through walls if necessary.
lightbringer
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Well...I guess I'm coming late to the conversation, all the info is pretty much out there.
TomO, your the TOL expert when it comes to the AK-47, jump in here and correct or fill in any gaps we may be missing.