Grand Jury decision for Michael Brown case

[rocketman]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
The St. Louis County MO Grand Jury consisted of 12 people picked months in advance, before the Michael Brown case ever happened.

The floor is yours Doc, explain how they are a "sham".



The same Prosecutor (District Attorney for St. Louis County) who presented 5 charges to the Grand Jury ranging from involuntary manslaughter to first degree murder?

After months of Local, County, State and Federal investigation, both the physical evidence and eye witness testimony were presented to the Grand Jury who didn't find cause to bring charges against Officer Darren Wilson.

My condolences Doc, better luck next time in lynching an innocent man.

It should also be said that a Grand jury does not rule on guilt or innocence but, just on probable cause to serve an indictment. In the end they are there determine whether there is enough compelling evidence to even waste the time & money to bring it to trial. The fact that they found no probable cause is really shocking for a Grand Jury. In any case if there was anything really compelling in the evidence or that this GJ was a "sham" as Doc says, you can be sure that the Holder justice dept would have already put forth a case of his own but, he won't because there is nothing there.

 

[rocketman]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Why can't Ben Watson & we as a society take Officer Darren Wilson's word on what happened that night?



Darren Wilson isn't just any human being, he is a man that tested and eventually became a police officer. Wilson went through rigid psychological tests and background checks before going to a police academy where he went through intensive training to become a professional law enforcement officer. Wilson swore to uphold the Constitution of the United States and the laws of the State of Missouri, County of St. Louis and City of Ferguson. Officer Wilson puts his life on the line each and every day and would give his life if necessary to protect the innocent.

So in your eyes Wilson or any cop are superhumans, above any reproach, incapable of telling a lie, or committing a crime? Well a GJ just tested that and agreed with Wilson's story but, if he is all the things above as you say there would have been no doubt even before a GJ had to convene. Cops have been known to lie which is no secret, all cops even Wilson himself is just a man...fallible just as we all are under certain circumstances and to say that he or any cop is above reproach at all times is laughable, they are just human after all.

 

[rocketman]

All you got to do is read the testimonies.

Here's one for starters.

“Any time I’m involved in an officer-involved shooting, be it a fatal one or non-fatal, it is always during my initial investigation listed as an assault on law enforcement,” St Louis County detective.

And why should any officer not be given the respect due that they have done their job correctly in advance of being accused. The far majority of cops are good people and follow their rules & protocol, it is a violent job dealing daily with scumbags and every cop knows it that is on the job. This statement isn't convicting at all.

how about

“When you got back to the police department, after you washed off and everything, did you ever think at what time that I needed to write a report while it is fresh in my mind?” asked assistant St. Louis County prosecutor Kathi Alizadeh.

“No,” Wilson said. “The protocol is whenever you are involved in a significant use of force, that you contact your FOP [Fraternal Order of Police] representative and then he will advise you of what to do step by step because they are the clear head in that situation. They have not been through a traumatic experience.”

This is the protocol, I have a friend who is a local sheriff that shot a young man in the head, after he opened fire with a rifle, and wounded his partner in the shoulder. The first thing done was to call his FOP and he was put on a mandatory leave of absence until the investigation was complete. Shooting someone, even when justified is a traumatic event and writing a report immediately while you are under emotional stress is not a good thing. This statement isn't compelling either Doc, it is procedure.

Again I believe Wilson because his story is verified by multiple witnesses. But you can't be serious and with a straight face say they were hard on the guy. Anyone else would have been hammered to death. Maybe exonerated, but put thru the woodshed.

It sounds like this thing was run by the books from the get go to me Doc...there were a lot of eyes on it, even from the feds.

 

[journey]

Thanks Sherlock! I don't expect it. Now run along to the playground since you won't discuss this topic.

You forgot - it's time for you to justify your comments that the Grand Jury was a sham.

 

[matt86]

Yes, law enforcement officers are human too. BUT show me anything credible that points to Officer Wilson's account of the incident not being truthful.

The problem is nobody will investigate the matter enough to form an educated opinion on the matter. Read the facts (solid facts don't lie) and Officer Wilson committed a justified homicide in self defense. There's no indication that he lied to anyone or did anything wrong and definitely no reason to indict him.

 

[rocketman]

Yes, law enforcement officers are human too. BUT show me anything credible that points to Officer Wilson's account of the incident not being truthful.

The problem is nobody will investigate the matter enough to form an educated opinion on the matter. Read the facts (solid facts don't lie) and Officer Wilson committed a justified homicide in self defense. There's no indication that he lied to anyone or did anything wrong and definitely no reason to indict him.

Agreed, I believe his actions were justified as well but, that does not mean his testimony, the physical evidence, or the witness' do not get tested and it was by a GJ and they found no probable cause to indict as well.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Why can't Ben Watson & we as a society take Officer Darren Wilson's word on what happened that night?


Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Darren Wilson isn't just any human being, he is a man that tested and eventually became a police officer. Wilson went through rigid psychological tests and background checks before going to a police academy where he went through intensive training to become a professional law enforcement officer. Wilson swore to uphold the Constitution of the United States and the laws of the State of Missouri, County of St. Louis and City of Ferguson. Officer Wilson puts his life on the line each and every day and would give his life if necessary to protect the innocent.

So in your eyes Wilson or any cop are superhumans, above any reproach, incapable of telling a lie, or committing a crime?

As shown in my above post, they are highly trained professional law enforcement personnel who swear to uphold the laws of our country and their jurisdiction. If there is evidence to believe that Officer Wilson murdered the late Michael Brown, then by all means it should be brought forward. If not, give the people who swear to uphold the law the benefit of the doubt. Ben Watson didn't do that in his statement:

"OR maybe he provoked Michael and ignited the series of events that led to him eventually murdering the young man to prove a point."

Well a GJ just tested that and agreed with Wilson's story but, if he is all the things above as you say there would have been no doubt even before a GJ had to convene. Cops have been known to lie which is no secret, all cops even Wilson himself is just a man...fallible just as we all are under certain circumstances and to say that he or any cop is above reproach at all times is laughable, they are just human after all.

Then bring the Grand Jury into every police shooting, not just this one. We can't believe what those police officers who have been known to lie say, we as a society need to question every arrest that they make.

Right?

This story was orchestrated by the left and it's allies in the left wing media to amongst other things take control away from local law enforcement and give more jurisdiction to federal authorities.

 

[kmoney]

If this hasn't been posted already, wow. It was written by a black NFL player (Saints' TE Benjamin Watson).

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"At some point while I was playing or preparing to play Monday Night Football, the news broke about the Ferguson Decision. After trying to figure out how I felt, I decided to write it down. Here are my thoughts:

I'M ANGRY because the stories of injustice that have been passed down for generations seem to be continuing before our very eyes.

I'M FRUSTRATED, because pop culture, music and movies glorify these types of police citizen altercations and promote an invincible attitude that continues to get young men killed in real life, away from safety movie sets and music studios.

I'M FEARFUL because in the back of my mind I know that although I'm a law abiding citizen I could still be looked upon as a "threat" to those who don't know me. So I will continue to have to go the extra mile to earn the benefit of the doubt.

I'M EMBARRASSED because the looting, violent protests, and law breaking only confirm, and in the minds of many, validate, the stereotypes and thus the inferior treatment.

I'M SAD, because another young life was lost from his family, the racial divide has widened, a community is in shambles, accusations, insensitivity hurt and hatred are boiling over, and we may never know the truth about what happened that day.

I'M SYMPATHETIC, because I wasn't there so I don't know exactly what happened. Maybe Darren Wilson acted within his rights and duty as an officer of the law and killed Michael Brown in self defense like any of us would in the circumstance. Now he has to fear the backlash against himself and his loved ones when he was only doing his job. What a horrible thing to endure. OR maybe he provoked Michael and ignited the series of events that led to him eventually murdering the young man to prove a point.

I'M OFFENDED, because of the insulting comments I've seen that are not only insensitive but dismissive to the painful experiences of others.

I'M CONFUSED, because I don't know why it's so hard to obey a policeman. You will not win!!! And I don't know why some policeman abuse their power. Power is a responsibility, not a weapon to brandish and lord over the populace.

I'M INTROSPECTIVE, because sometimes I want to take "our" side without looking at the facts in situations like these. Sometimes I feel like it's us against them. Sometimes I'm just as prejudiced as people I point fingers at. And that's not right. How can I look at white skin and make assumptions but not want assumptions made about me? That's not right.

I'M HOPELESS, because I've lived long enough to expect things like this to continue to happen. I'm not surprised and at some point my little children are going to inherit the weight of being a minority and all that it entails.

I'M HOPEFUL, because I know that while we still have race issues in America, we enjoy a much different normal than those of our parents and grandparents. I see it in my personal relationships with teammates, friends and mentors. And it's a beautiful thing.

I'M ENCOURAGED, because ultimately the problem is not a SKIN problem, it is a SIN problem. SIN is the reason we rebel against authority. SIN is the reason we abuse our authority. SIN is the reason we are racist, prejudiced and lie to cover for our own. SIN is the reason we riot, loot and burn. BUT I'M ENCOURAGED because God has provided a solution for sin through the his son Jesus and with it, a transformed heart and mind. One that's capable of looking past the outward and seeing what's truly important in every human being. The cure for the Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice and Eric Garner tragedies is not education or exposure. It's the Gospel. So, finally, I'M ENCOURAGED because the Gospel gives mankind hope."

SOURCE

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[musterion]

Let's see if I've got the story straight so far.

A gargantuan thug strongarmed a tiny shopkeeper over one of the cheapest brands of cigar in existence, then tried to bum rush a relatively tiny police officer. Thug gets killed. The cop is presumed guilty by the media and by leftists (I repeat myself) but when a grand jury, which reportedly included three black citizens, found the cop did no wrong, the stepfather of the dead thug encouraged the mob to "Burn this b**** down." Which they did - not only in Ferguson but in locations across the nation, as part of their ultra-early Black Friday Free Stuff Party. Further, current reports state that dead thug's mother has been involved in altercations involving profits from dead thug's merchandised likeness.

Question, which I admit is ultimately moot now that dead thug is in the ground: Hypothetically - a ridiculous suggestion, I know, but just spitballing here - COULD the style of "parenting" on display his parents have had anything to do with how dead thug turned out? Could said upbringing could have been a contributing factor to the fact that he's now pushing up weeds?

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Let's see if I've got the story straight so far.

A gargantuan thug strongarmed a tiny shopkeeper over one of the cheapest brands of cigar in existence, then tried to bum rush a relatively tiny police officer. Thug gets killed. The cop is presumed guilty by the media and by leftists (I repeat myself) but when a grand jury, which reportedly included three black citizens, found the cop did no wrong, the stepfather of the dead thug encouraged the mob to "Burn this b**** down." Which they did - not only in Ferguson but in locations across the nation, as part of their ultra-early Black Friday Free Stuff Party. Further, current reports state that dead thug's mother has been involved in altercations involving profits from dead thug's merchandised likeness.

Question, which I admit is ultimately moot now that dead thug is in the ground: Hypothetically - a ridiculous suggestion, I know, but just spitballing here - COULD the style of "parenting" on display have had anything to do with how dead thug turned out, so that said upbringing could have been a contributing factor to the fact that he's now pushing up weeds?

Racist.

 

[musterion]

Racist.

Which part.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Which part.

Sorry, I should have put sarcasm in ( ). Excellent post!

 

[musterion]

Ah. Good. Because I don't feel racist.

 

[The Barbarian]

The usual. The racists jumped to conclusions before the facts were out. White racists assumed the black guy was bad. Black racists assumed the white guy was bad.

And normal people waited for the facts. That's how it always is here.

 

[musterion]

Check back several pages, Silly Me Barbie. I said he'd be indicted. I was wrong, but I seriously believed he would be.

 

[matt86]

The usual. The racists jumped to conclusions before the facts were out. White racists assumed the black guy was bad. Black racists assumed the white guy was bad.

And normal people waited for the facts. That's how it always is here.

I think you hit the nail on the head

 

[Nick M]

I think you hit the nail on the head

I think you are a moron. Or maybe just evil like barbie.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

The usual. The racists jumped to conclusions before the facts were out. White racists assumed the black guy was bad. Black racists assumed the white guy was bad.

And normal people waited for the facts. That's how it always is here.

Forgive us white racists for assuming that the black guy was bad.

 

[Nick M]

The grand jury decision that he should not be charged with any crimes is correct.

 

[99lamb]

The Usual :rotfl:

How about the media rushing to direct the narrative, shape the story before any evidence was processed?
The media and those willing to propagate a story line to foment as much division as possible ...are they racist? agitators, provocateurs?

The lawyer in the video is laughable, here's evidence of Mike Brown strong arm robbing a store, and the lawyer's only reply is that Mike didn't give the store clerk a beat down. so representative of the liberal mindset.