Grand Jury decision for Michael Brown case

[rocketman]

Why can't Ben Watson & we as a society take Officer Darren Wilson's word on what happened that night?

Because human beings have been known to lie, and I am surprised you have to ask that question. Do I believe that Officer Wilson is lying? no but, that is not to say someone else, especially someone of color could be skeptical...I get that. With all the evidence that has been presented before a jury and for Wilson to not get an indictment for anything, I believe it is highly unlikely that there was any wrongdoing on the part of Officer Wilson.

 

[drbrumley]

Here's a simple question:

Why can't Ben Watson & we as a society take Officer Darren Wilson's word on what happened that night?

Take his word for it? Take any law enforcement's word for it? With the abuses that have happened in the past? Surely you jest. It would be great if it were that simple but the history of the past and even the present makes one wonder. And rightfully so.

I do believe Wilson. Why, because the evidence points in that direction.

 

[drbrumley]

Because human beings have been known to lie, and I am surprised you have to ask that question. Do I believe that Officer Wilson is lying? no but, that is not to say someone else, especially someone of color could be skeptical...I get that. With all the evidence that has been presented before a jury and for Wilson to not get an indictment for anything, I believe it is highly unlikely that there was any wrongdoing on the part of Officer Wilson.

I will say this, I agree in part, but let's not kid ourselves. That Grand Jury was a sham. Even the prosecutors were very helpful. If Wilson wasn't an officer, you can rest assured the State Attorney's office wouldn't have been so kind.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Why can't Ben Watson & we as a society take Officer Darren Wilson's word on what happened that night?

Because human beings have been known to lie, and I am surprised you have to ask that question...

Darren Wilson isn't just any human being, he is a man that tested and eventually became a police officer. Wilson went through rigid psychological tests and background checks before going to a police academy where he went through intensive training to become a professional law enforcement officer. Wilson swore to uphold the Constitution of the United States and the laws of the State of Missouri, County of St. Louis and City of Ferguson. Officer Wilson puts his life on the line each and every day and would give his life if necessary to protect the innocent.

For that, Ben Watson and we as a society owe him and his fellow officers not only gratitude, but the trust that they deserve.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

I will say this, I agree in part, but let's not kid ourselves. That Grand Jury was a sham. Even the prosecutors were very helpful. If Wilson wasn't an officer, you can rest assured the State Attorney's office wouldn't have been so kind.

Care to review the evidence that the "sham" of a Grand Jury reviewed?

 

[drbrumley]

Care to review the evidence that the "sham" of a Grand Jury reviewed?

Yeah, read his testimony at the Grand Jury....can we say SOFTBALL?

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Yeah, read his testimony at the Grand Jury....can we say SOFTBALL!!!!

Where shall we start?

How about when the 18 year old, 6'2", 292 lb. "gentle giant" Michael Brown who had just pulled a strong armed robbery in a nearby market was told to get out of the middle of the street by Officer Wilson and his response to Officer Wilson's command?

 

[drbrumley]

Where shall we start?

How about when the 18 year old, 6'2", 292 lb. "gentle giant" Michael Brown who had just pulled a strong armed robbery in a nearby market was told to get out of the middle of the street and his response.

Irrelevant! Try again

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Irrelevant! Try again

It shows the militant attitude of the "gentle giant".

Next, Officer Wilson, after seeing the evidence of the strong armed robbery that occurred in a nearby market in Brown's hand, pulls his car up and when attempting to exit his patrol vehicle, the "gentle giant" blocks the car door. Next, the "gentle giant" reaches through the open car window and punches Officer Wilson twice in the face.

Is that "irrelevant" Doc?

 

[drbrumley]

It shows the militant attitude of the "gentle giant".

Next, Officer Wilson, after seeing the evidence of the strong armed robbery that occurred in a nearby market in Brown's hand, pulls his car up and when attempting to exit his patrol vehicle, the "gentle giant" blocks the car door. Next, the "gentle giant" reaches through the open car window and punches Officer Wilson twice in the face.

Is that "irrelevant" Doc?

Are you wanting to discuss the Grand Jury or just want to expound on eyewitness accounts that agree with Wilson. Of which I agree with as well.

 

[journey]

I will say this, I agree in part, but let's not kid ourselves. That Grand Jury was a sham. Even the prosecutors were very helpful. If Wilson wasn't an officer, you can rest assured the State Attorney's office wouldn't have been so kind.

No information has been given that would lead anyone to believe that the Grand Jury was a sham. If you have information that nobody else has, share it with us. Otherwise, I think you've made a groundless charge.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Are you wanting to discuss the Grand Jury or just want to expound on eyewitness accounts that agree with Wilson. Of which I agree with as well.

The St. Louis County MO Grand Jury consisted of 12 people picked months in advance, before the Michael Brown case ever happened.

The floor is yours Doc, explain how they are a "sham".

 

[drbrumley]

No information has been given that would lead anyone to believe that the Grand Jury was a sham. If you have information that nobody else has, share it with us. Otherwise, I think you've made a groundless charge.

All you got to do is read the testimonies.

Here's one for starters.

“Any time I’m involved in an officer-involved shooting, be it a fatal one or non-fatal, it is always during my initial investigation listed as an assault on law enforcement,” St Louis County detective.

how about

“When you got back to the police department, after you washed off and everything, did you ever think at what time that I needed to write a report while it is fresh in my mind?” asked assistant St. Louis County prosecutor Kathi Alizadeh.

“No,” Wilson said. “The protocol is whenever you are involved in a significant use of force, that you contact your FOP [Fraternal Order of Police] representative and then he will advise you of what to do step by step because they are the clear head in that situation. They have not been through a traumatic experience.”

Again I believe Wilson because his story is verified by multiple witnesses. But you can't be serious and with a straight face say they were hard on the guy. Anyone else would have been hammered to death. Maybe exonerated, but put thru the woodshed.

 

[drbrumley]

The St. Louis County MO Grand Jury consisted of 12 people picked months in advance, before the Michael Brown case ever happened.

The floor is yours Doc, explain how they are a "sham".

You are a bona fide numbskull. The Grand Jury follows the lead of the Prosecutors. They ask the questions, the GJ renders a verdict upon the answers.

 

[journey]

You are a bona fide numbskull. The Grand Jury follows the lead of the Prosecutors. They ask the questions, the GJ renders a verdict upon the answers.

I think that you are the numbskull, but you're welcome to form whatever opinions you want to. Just don't expect anyone to agree with you.

 

[drbrumley]

I think that you are the numbskull, but you're welcome to form whatever opinions you want to. Just don't expect anyone to agree with you.

Thanks Sherlock! I don't expect it. Now run along to the playground since you won't discuss this topic.

 

[patrick jane]

what's all the fuss ?

 

[Lon]

I beg to differ, had this been a white kid that attacked a black cop and was shot for his effort we would not have even heard a 5 second sound bite about it on the news, it is all about the race baiting in the end...

Major News! Unarmed white kids shot by a black cop!

It isn't strange at all that it didn't make the national news. It is strange that a big kid beating up a cop and getting killed for it would be front page national news, white or black or purple.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
The St. Louis County MO Grand Jury consisted of 12 people picked months in advance, before the Michael Brown case ever happened.

The floor is yours Doc, explain how they are a "sham".

You are a bona fide numbskull. The Grand Jury follows the lead of the Prosecutors. They ask the questions, the GJ renders a verdict upon the answers.

The same Prosecutor (District Attorney for St. Louis County) who presented 5 charges to the Grand Jury ranging from involuntary manslaughter to first degree murder?

After months of Local, County, State and Federal investigation, both the physical evidence and eye witness testimony were presented to the Grand Jury who didn't find cause to bring charges against Officer Darren Wilson.

My condolences Doc, better luck next time in lynching an innocent man.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

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He [professional football player Ben Watson] came forward, he best address the real problem.

Again why is this Watson's job, though? You haven't answered this question.

Ben Watson used his status as a professional football player to address the nation and the world on his thoughts about the incident in Ferguson MO. If he wanted to talk about the real problem, he would have mentioned how wrong it was that Michael Brown's parents, instead of admitting that their son was a two bit thug, went to Geneva and addressed the United Nations on the police brutality that allegedly occurs quite often here in the US. Watson could have also pointed to race baiters at the NAACP, National Urban League and racists like President Barack Hussein Obama, Attorney General Eric Holder and civil rights activist Al Sharpton as organizations and people who are paid quite well to stoke the racial fire.

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Refer to my comment below.

I'm surprised you like Ted Nugent since he's a fornicator (had a child out of wedlock), adulterer (cheated on his wives), pedophile (at age 30 had an affair with a 17 year old), and an admitted draft dodger. Sheesh aCW you have ranted about all these things for years here at TOL.

With Ted Nugent's qualifications, I'm surprised that liberals like you haven't elected him President of the United States yet.

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You're welcome; I just love watching a white liberal such as yourself squirrrrrrrm when I bring up the problems that you've helped create.

Now you are just being a foolish troll. Let me break this to you. I am NOT white. I have mentioned this countless times over the years here at TOL. I am rather dark Hispanic man and I have been called a "nig*er" a few times in my life. But I do get amused when people like you expose their ignorance.

I definitely got the liberal part right.


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Here's a simple question:

Why can't Ben Watson we as a society take Officer Darren Wilson's word on what happened that night?

Here's a simple answer. I don't think you even read what Watson wrote. He was supporting Officer Wilson. Please go back and read what Watson wrote. Sounds to me Watson believes Wilson.

I'M SYMPATHETIC, because I wasn't there so I don't know exactly what happened. Maybe Darren Wilson acted within his rights and duty as an officer of the law and killed Michael Brown in self defense like any of us would in the circumstance. Now he has to fear the backlash against himself and his loved ones when he was only doing his job. What a horrible thing to endure. OR maybe he provoked Michael and ignited the series of events that led to him eventually murdering the young man to prove a point.

"Or maybe he provoked Michael and ignited the series of events...."?

Did the grocery store clerk "provoke" Michael Brown to grab him by the shirt collar when he told him that he couldn't steal the cheap cigars that druggies use to roll joints?

Ben Watson is trying to appease both sides and in doing so only looks foolish.