Grand Jury decision for Michael Brown case

[kmoney]

Wow, terrorism seems to have reigned in Ferguson last night.

That might be a little much.

Very grim situation. I don't see anyone who walked away a winner here.

Watching this rioting makes me so mad. It's senseless, and against people who have no real connection to the case. The only rationale I can see behind it is if they are trying to create so much violence and chaos that they scare people into making changes, which would be a form of terrorism. But I doubt many, if any, of the rioters even have that much of a thought process.

 

[rocketman]

**Edit- Rocket, if you can honestly say the N word hasn't crossed your mind, I do believe you. However, you'd be one of the few in this thread that I think hasn't thought it, or said it recently.

I don't know Deets that is a pretty broad brush statement as well as speculative at best. I do not know the heart of another man but, I do judge the words that leave their mouth and so far I just have not seen the racial hatred that you are eluding to, though I can only speak for myself.

 

[intojoy]

What about the black zombie dude? Remember that one?

 

[rocketman]

However, to certain ears, and for good reason, that word has racial overtones. So maybe, you could think about using a different word, so as not to give that impression, if you don't intend to.

Bull crap! a thug is a thug no matter the color, just as a thief is a thief, and a bully is a bully and none of these have a racial bias. I will not use a different word because there is no need, your made up racial dictionary does not have the power to change the meaning of words to what you want them to say you twit.

thug/THəɡ/
noun
a violent person, especially a criminal.

 

[Stripe]

:mock: Twits.

 

[rocketman]

Why is that Rocket's problem?

It's not, that is just Rex trying to make a pointless point using made up meanings for common words. So, basically he is just being disingenuous. :yawn:

 

[Stripe]

He committed suicide by police officer.

 

[The Berean]

If this hasn't been posted already, wow. It was written by a black NFL player (Saints' TE Benjamin Watson).

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"At some point while I was playing or preparing to play Monday Night Football, the news broke about the Ferguson Decision. After trying to figure out how I felt, I decided to write it down. Here are my thoughts:

I'M ANGRY because the stories of injustice that have been passed down for generations seem to be continuing before our very eyes.

I'M FRUSTRATED, because pop culture, music and movies glorify these types of police citizen altercations and promote an invincible attitude that continues to get young men killed in real life, away from safety movie sets and music studios.

I'M FEARFUL because in the back of my mind I know that although I'm a law abiding citizen I could still be looked upon as a "threat" to those who don't know me. So I will continue to have to go the extra mile to earn the benefit of the doubt.

I'M EMBARRASSED because the looting, violent protests, and law breaking only confirm, and in the minds of many, validate, the stereotypes and thus the inferior treatment.

I'M SAD, because another young life was lost from his family, the racial divide has widened, a community is in shambles, accusations, insensitivity hurt and hatred are boiling over, and we may never know the truth about what happened that day.

I'M SYMPATHETIC, because I wasn't there so I don't know exactly what happened. Maybe Darren Wilson acted within his rights and duty as an officer of the law and killed Michael Brown in self defense like any of us would in the circumstance. Now he has to fear the backlash against himself and his loved ones when he was only doing his job. What a horrible thing to endure. OR maybe he provoked Michael and ignited the series of events that led to him eventually murdering the young man to prove a point.

I'M OFFENDED, because of the insulting comments I've seen that are not only insensitive but dismissive to the painful experiences of others.

I'M CONFUSED, because I don't know why it's so hard to obey a policeman. You will not win!!! And I don't know why some policeman abuse their power. Power is a responsibility, not a weapon to brandish and lord over the populace.

I'M INTROSPECTIVE, because sometimes I want to take "our" side without looking at the facts in situations like these. Sometimes I feel like it's us against them. Sometimes I'm just as prejudiced as people I point fingers at. And that's not right. How can I look at white skin and make assumptions but not want assumptions made about me? That's not right.

I'M HOPELESS, because I've lived long enough to expect things like this to continue to happen. I'm not surprised and at some point my little children are going to inherit the weight of being a minority and all that it entails.

I'M HOPEFUL, because I know that while we still have race issues in America, we enjoy a much different normal than those of our parents and grandparents. I see it in my personal relationships with teammates, friends and mentors. And it's a beautiful thing.

I'M ENCOURAGED, because ultimately the problem is not a SKIN problem, it is a SIN problem. SIN is the reason we rebel against authority. SIN is the reason we abuse our authority. SIN is the reason we are racist, prejudiced and lie to cover for our own. SIN is the reason we riot, loot and burn. BUT I'M ENCOURAGED because God has provided a solution for sin through the his son Jesus and with it, a transformed heart and mind. One that's capable of looking past the outward and seeing what's truly important in every human being. The cure for the Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice and Eric Garner tragedies is not education or exposure. It's the Gospel. So, finally, I'M ENCOURAGED because the Gospel gives mankind hope."

SOURCE

 

[rocketman]

If this hasn't been posted already, wow. It was written by a black NFL player (Saints' TE Benjamin Watson).

***************************************************

"At some point while I was playing or preparing to play Monday Night Football, the news broke about the Ferguson Decision. After trying to figure out how I felt, I decided to write it down. Here are my thoughts:

I'M ANGRY because the stories of injustice that have been passed down for generations seem to be continuing before our very eyes.

I'M FRUSTRATED, because pop culture, music and movies glorify these types of police citizen altercations and promote an invincible attitude that continues to get young men killed in real life, away from safety movie sets and music studios.

I'M FEARFUL because in the back of my mind I know that although I'm a law abiding citizen I could still be looked upon as a "threat" to those who don't know me. So I will continue to have to go the extra mile to earn the benefit of the doubt.

I'M EMBARRASSED because the looting, violent protests, and law breaking only confirm, and in the minds of many, validate, the stereotypes and thus the inferior treatment.

I'M SAD, because another young life was lost from his family, the racial divide has widened, a community is in shambles, accusations, insensitivity hurt and hatred are boiling over, and we may never know the truth about what happened that day.

I'M SYMPATHETIC, because I wasn't there so I don't know exactly what happened. Maybe Darren Wilson acted within his rights and duty as an officer of the law and killed Michael Brown in self defense like any of us would in the circumstance. Now he has to fear the backlash against himself and his loved ones when he was only doing his job. What a horrible thing to endure. OR maybe he provoked Michael and ignited the series of events that led to him eventually murdering the young man to prove a point.

I'M OFFENDED, because of the insulting comments I've seen that are not only insensitive but dismissive to the painful experiences of others.

I'M CONFUSED, because I don't know why it's so hard to obey a policeman. You will not win!!! And I don't know why some policeman abuse their power. Power is a responsibility, not a weapon to brandish and lord over the populace.

I'M INTROSPECTIVE, because sometimes I want to take "our" side without looking at the facts in situations like these. Sometimes I feel like it's us against them. Sometimes I'm just as prejudiced as people I point fingers at. And that's not right. How can I look at white skin and make assumptions but not want assumptions made about me? That's not right.

I'M HOPELESS, because I've lived long enough to expect things like this to continue to happen. I'm not surprised and at some point my little children are going to inherit the weight of being a minority and all that it entails.

I'M HOPEFUL, because I know that while we still have race issues in America, we enjoy a much different normal than those of our parents and grandparents. I see it in my personal relationships with teammates, friends and mentors. And it's a beautiful thing.

I'M ENCOURAGED, because ultimately the problem is not a SKIN problem, it is a SIN problem. SIN is the reason we rebel against authority. SIN is the reason we abuse our authority. SIN is the reason we are racist, prejudiced and lie to cover for our own. SIN is the reason we riot, loot and burn. BUT I'M ENCOURAGED because God has provided a solution for sin through the his son Jesus and with it, a transformed heart and mind. One that's capable of looking past the outward and seeing what's truly important in every human being. The cure for the Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice and Eric Garner tragedies is not education or exposure. It's the Gospel. So, finally, I'M ENCOURAGED because the Gospel gives mankind hope."

SOURCE

:BRAVO: Awesome summary and not just because I am a HUGE Saints fan, Ben Watson is truly a class act and echos the sentiments of most Americans. :first:

 

[The Berean]

I was impressed by his eloquence. I did some checking and Watson scored a 48 on the NFL Wonderlic test (max is 50), the 3rd highest score ever. He majored in finance in college.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

:BRAVO: Awesome summary and not just because I am a HUGE Saints fan, Ben Watson is truly a class act and echos the sentiments of most Americans. :first:

I read multi millionaire Ben Watson's statement, and while the last part was right on, I had to question some of what he said:

I'M FEARFUL because in the back of my mind I know that although I'm a law abiding citizen I could still be looked upon as a "threat" to those who don't know me. So I will continue to have to go the extra mile to earn the benefit of the doubt.

Thank the Black culture for that. Clean up your own community and you won't have to worry about being a "threat".

I'M SYMPATHETIC, because I wasn't there so I don't know exactly what happened...

None of us of do Ben, that's why we have to rely on the evidence that the Grand Jury heard (and the public is now privy to) as to what really happened.

I'M CONFUSED, because I don't know why it's so hard to obey a policeman. You will not win!!! And I don't know why some policeman abuse their power. Power is a responsibility, not a weapon to brandish and lord over the populace.

Irrelevant to the incident we're talking about Ben. Officer Darren Wilson did not "abuse his power", he was justified in using deadly force against a criminal who was attempting to murder him.

 

[rocketman]

I was impressed by his eloquence. I did some checking and Watson scored a 48 on the NFL Wonderlic test (max is 50), the 3rd highest score ever. He majored in finance in college.

I was quite impressed & moved by his prospectives on this current situation as well, though the finale really says it all, and pop culture rejects the cure.

I'M ENCOURAGED, because ultimately the problem is not a SKIN problem, it is a SIN problem. SIN is the reason we rebel against authority. SIN is the reason we abuse our authority. SIN is the reason we are racist, prejudiced and lie to cover for our own. SIN is the reason we riot, loot and burn. BUT I'M ENCOURAGED because God has provided a solution for sin through the his son Jesus and with it, a transformed heart and mind. One that's capable of looking past the outward and seeing what's truly important in every human being. The cure for the Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice and Eric Garner tragedies is not education or exposure. It's the Gospel. So, finally, I'M ENCOURAGED because the Gospel gives mankind hope."

 

[rocketman]

Irrelevant to the incident we're talking about Ben. Officer Darren Wilson did not "abuse his power", he was justified in using deadly force against a criminal who was attempting to murder him.

I think Watson addressed that he understood when he said the following:

I'M SYMPATHETIC, because I wasn't there so I don't know exactly what happened. Maybe Darren Wilson acted within his rights and duty as an officer of the law and killed Michael Brown in self defense like any of us would in the circumstance. Now he has to fear the backlash against himself and his loved ones when he was only doing his job. What a horrible thing to endure. OR maybe he provoked Michael and ignited the series of events that led to him eventually murdering the young man to prove a point.

In the end only Officer Wilson know what sparked the exchange but, even then Brown was not justified to attack him.

 

[The Berean]

I read multi millionaire Ben Watson's statement, and while the last part was right on, I had to question some of what he said:

I'M FEARFUL because in the back of my mind I know that although I'm a law abiding citizen I could still be looked upon as a "threat" to those who don't know me. So I will continue to have to go the extra mile to earn the benefit of the doubt.

Thank the Black culture for that. Clean up your own community and you won't have to worry about being a "threat".

Watson is doing his part to "clean up his community" by getting a college education, being a father to his children, a husband to his wife, and sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the world. Isn't that not enough? Given that something like 78% of black babies are born out-of-wedlock today, Watson and his family stand as a powerful contrast to that sad statistic.

I'M SYMPATHETIC, because I wasn't there so I don't know exactly what happened...

None of us of do Ben, that's why we have to rely on the evidence that the Grand Jury heard (and the public is now privy to) as to what really happened.

Watson is sympathetic to officer Wilson, at least that'a how I read his words.

I'M CONFUSED, because I don't know why it's so hard to obey a policeman. You will not win!!! And I don't know why some policeman abuse their power. Power is a responsibility, not a weapon to brandish and lord over the populace.

Irrelevant to the incident we're talking about Ben. Officer Darren Wilson did not "abuse his power", he was justified in using deadly force against a criminal who was attempting to murder him.

He wasn't talking about Wilson "abusing his power" in particular IMO. He was talking police abusing their power in general unless you believe police officers NEVER abuse their powers? Plus Watson said fighting a police office is wrong and won't go well for a person who fights a police officer.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

In the end only Officer Wilson know what sparked the exchange but, even then Brown was not justified to attack him.

The "exchange" inside the grocery store shows the mentality of the thug named Michael Brown.

(Don't go liberal on me rocketman).

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Watson is doing his part to "clean up his community" by getting a college education, being a father to his children, a husband to his wife, and sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the world. Isn't that not enough? Given that something like 78% of black babies are born out-of-wedlock today, Watson and his family stand as a powerful contrast to that sad statistic.

Good for him. Now Watson should go out into his community and tell them that black youths are disproportionately committing crimes. He should ell them that they are disproportionately creating babies out of wedlock and those black babies are disproportionately being murdered in the womb.

If he needs help spreading the message, rock n roller Ted Nugent will gladly do so.

Here's the lessons from Ferguson America- Don't let your kids growup to be thugs who think they can steal, assault & attack cops as a way of life & badge of black (dis)honor. Don't preach your racist ******** "no justice no peace" as blabbered by Obama's racist Czar Al Not So Sharpton & their black klansmen. When a cop tells you to get out of the middle of the street, obey him & don't attack him as brainwashed by the gangsta ******** you hang with & look up to. It's that simple unless you have no brains, no soul, no sense of decency whatsoever. And dont claim that "black lives matter" when you ignore the millions you abort & slaughter each & every day by other blacks. Those of us with a soul do indeed believe black lives matter, as all lives matter. So quit killin each other you ****** idiots. Drive safely.

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4128809&postcount=3523

 

[The Berean]

Good for him. Now Watson should go out into his community and tell them that black youths are disproportionately committing crimes. He should ell them that they are disproportionately creating babies out of wedlock and those black babies are disproportionately being murdered in the womb.

Why is that Watson's job? Why do think it's your job to tell Watson what to do in his community as you put it?

If he needs help spreading the message, rock n roller Ted Nugent will gladly do so.

Nugent? I didn't know he was still alive. :rotfl:

Here's the lessons from Ferguson America- Don't let your kids growup to be thugs who think they can steal, assault & attack cops as a way of life & badge of black (dis)honor. Don't preach your racist ******** "no justice no peace" as blabbered by Obama's racist Czar Al Not So Sharpton & their black klansmen. When a cop tells you to get out of the middle of the street, obey him & don't attack him as brainwashed by the gangsta ******** you hang with & look up to. It's that simple unless you have no brains, no soul, no sense of decency whatsoever. And dont claim that "black lives matter" when you ignore the millions you abort & slaughter each & every day by other blacks. Those of us with a soul do indeed believe black lives matter, as all lives matter. So quit killin each other you ****** idiots. Drive safely.

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4128809&postcount=3523

Yes, thank you for your personal political and social commentary.

 

[rocketman]

The "exchange" inside the grocery store shows the mentality of the thug named Michael Brown.

(Don't go liberal on me rocketman).

Recognizing the problem as well as acknowledging it I believe Watson did very well. You can pick it apart all day long but, it says more about your heart than his that you do. Does the entirety of society have to hold the exact worldview that you do for it to be valid? I think not. Having different opinions doesn't make us liberal it makes us human. I recognize Brown was a thug but, I can see the good in what Watson had to say concerning the goings on in MO.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Why is that Watson's job? Why do think it's your job to tell Watson what to do in his community as you put it?

He came forward, he best address the real problem.

Nugent? I didn't know he was still alive. :rotfl:

Refer to my comment below.

Yes, thank you for your personal political and social commentary.

You're welcome; I just love watching a white liberal such as yourself squirrrrrrrm when I bring up the problems that you've help create.

Recognizing the problem as well as acknowledging it I believe Watson did very well. You can pick it apart all day long but, it says more about your heart than his that you do. Does the entirety of society have to hold the exact worldview that you do for it to be valid? I think not. Having different opinions doesn't make us liberal it makes us human. I recognize Brown was a thug but, I can see the good in what Watson had to say concerning the goings on in MO.

Here's a simple question:

Why can't Ben Watson & we as a society take Officer Darren Wilson's word on what happened that night?

 

[The Berean]

He came forward, he best address the real problem.

Again why is this Watson's job, though? You haven't answered this question. Also, how do you know that Watson doesn't already invest time with at-risk youth? The answer is that you don't know.

Refer to my comment below.

I'm surprised you like Ted Nugent since he's a fornicator (had a child out of wedlock), adulterer (cheated on his wives), pedophile (at age 30 had an affair with a 17 year old), and an admitted draft dodger. Sheesh aCW you have ranted about all these things for years here at TOL. :think:

You're welcome; I just love watching a white liberal such as yourself squirrrrrrrm when I bring up the problems that you've helped create.

Now you are just being a foolish troll. Let me break this to you. I am NOT white. :rotfl: I have mentioned this countless times over the years here at TOL. I am rather dark Hispanic man and I have been called a "nig*er" a few times in my life. But I do get amused when people like you expose their ignorance.

Here's a simple question:

Why can't Ben Watson we as a society take Officer Darren Wilson's word on what happened that night?

Here's a simple answer. I don't think you even read what Watson wrote. He was supporting Officer Wilson. Please go back and read what Watson wrote. Sounds to me Watson believes Wilson.

I'M SYMPATHETIC, because I wasn't there so I don't know exactly what happened. Maybe Darren Wilson acted within his rights and duty as an officer of the law and killed Michael Brown in self defense like any of us would in the circumstance. Now he has to fear the backlash against himself and his loved ones when he was only doing his job. What a horrible thing to endure. OR maybe he provoked Michael and ignited the series of events that led to him eventually murdering the young man to prove a point.