ECT Grace is unconditional but not universal

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PneumaPsucheSoma

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The twelve apostles included "Judas Iscariot, the one who betrayed Him" (Matt. 10:4).

God can use even an apostate like Judas to teach us some important lessons.

Judas is history's greatest human tragedy. He had opportunities and privileges known only to the other disciples, but he turned from them to pursue a course of destruction. Yet even from his foolishness we can learn some important lessons.

Judas, for example, is the world's greatest example of lost opportunity. He ministered for three years with Jesus Himself but was content merely to associate with Him, never submitting to Him in saving faith. Millions of others have followed his example by hearing the gospel and associating with Christians, yet rejecting Christ. Tragically, like Judas, once death comes they too are damned for all eternity.

Judas is also the world's greatest example of wasted privileges. He could have had the riches of an eternal inheritance but instead chose thirty pieces of silver. In that respect he is also the greatest illustration of the destructiveness and damnation greed can bring. He did an unthinkable thing, yet he has many contemporary counterparts in those who place wealth and pleasure above godliness.

On the positive side, Judas is the world's greatest illustration of the forbearing, patient love of God. Knowing what Judas would do, Jesus tolerated him for three years. Beyond that, He constantly reached out to him and even called him "friend" after his kiss of betrayal (Matt. 26:50).

If you've ever been betrayed by a friend, you know the pain it can bring. But the Lord's pain was compounded many times over because He knew He would be betrayed and because the consequences were so serious. Yet He endured the pain because He loved Judas and knew that His own betrayal was a necessary part of the redemptive plan.

The sins that destroyed Judas are common sins that you must avoid at all costs! Use every opportunity and privilege God gives you, and never take advantage of His patience.

Dr. John A. MacArthur - 2016.


Judas, with physical eyes, was looking for an earthly kingdom and a theocratically reigning Savior; much like modern Dispensationalists and false Dominionists. His regret/remorse was metamellomai rather than metanoia, and thus insufficient for salvation.

Judas was a type for the modern anti-types all around us in the false "movements" and sects. Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof. Third Wave Charismaticists are the worst offenders, followed closely by the many sectarian false Ecumenists. Dispies are among this tier as well.
 

1Mind1Spirit

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The twelve apostles included "Judas Iscariot, the one who betrayed Him" (Matt. 10:4).

God can use even an apostate like Judas to teach us some important lessons.

Judas is history's greatest human tragedy. He had opportunities and privileges known only to the other disciples, but he turned from them to pursue a course of destruction. Yet even from his foolishness we can learn some important lessons.

Judas, for example, is the world's greatest example of lost opportunity. He ministered for three years with Jesus Himself but was content merely to associate with Him, never submitting to Him in saving faith. Millions of others have followed his example by hearing the gospel and associating with Christians, yet rejecting Christ. Tragically, like Judas, once death comes they too are damned for all eternity.

Judas is also the world's greatest example of wasted privileges. He could have had the riches of an eternal inheritance but instead chose thirty pieces of silver. In that respect he is also the greatest illustration of the destructiveness and damnation greed can bring. He did an unthinkable thing, yet he has many contemporary counterparts in those who place wealth and pleasure above godliness.

On the positive side, Judas is the world's greatest illustration of the forbearing, patient love of God. Knowing what Judas would do, Jesus tolerated him for three years. Beyond that, He constantly reached out to him and even called him "friend" after his kiss of betrayal (Matt. 26:50).

If you've ever been betrayed by a friend, you know the pain it can bring. But the Lord's pain was compounded many times over because He knew He would be betrayed and because the consequences were so serious. Yet He endured the pain because He loved Judas and knew that His own betrayal was a necessary part of the redemptive plan.

The sins that destroyed Judas are common sins that you must avoid at all costs! Use every opportunity and privilege God gives you, and never take advantage of His patience.

Dr. John A. MacArthur - 2016.

Judas loved money, which is the root of all evil.

Dispies should be reminded of Tet's patience with you.
 

Nick M

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The offer of grace is universal, the receipt is conditional. Nag is a demon possessed liar.
 

Sonnet

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Judas, with physical eyes, was looking for an earthly kingdom and a theocratically reigning Savior; much like modern Dispensationalists and false Dominionists. His regret/remorse was metamellomai rather than metanoia, and thus insufficient for salvation.

Judas was a type for the modern anti-types all around us in the false "movements" and sects. Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof. Third Wave Charismaticists are the worst offenders, followed closely by the many sectarian false Ecumenists. Dispies are among this tier as well.

Are you not going to respond then?
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Sonnet

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Not at all . . only the church body is led of the Spirit of God.

But the truths of God are manifested even in the creation of God; "secret knowledge" is Gnosticism that denies the goodness and witness of the material world that glorifies the Creator.

Romans 1:19-21

Knowledge of the secrets of the Kingdom of God were given to the Twelve and others. Matthew 13:11, Mark 4:10-11.
 

Sonnet

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This contradicts all your "universal" views, does it not?

I believe that that Jesus' inclusion/exclusion in Mark 4 may be a direct response to what had previously occurred:

Mark 3:22-29
And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, “He is possessed by Beelzebul! By the prince of demons he is driving out demons.”

So Jesus called them over to him and began to speak to them in parables: “How can Satan drive out Satan? If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come. In fact, no one can enter a strong man’s house without first tying him up. Then he can plunder the strong man’s house. Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.”
 

Sonnet

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This contradicts all your "universal" views, does it not?

Rather, Matthew 13:11 refutes Dort here:

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Who teach that it was not on the basis of his just will alone that God decided to leave anyone in the fall of Adam and in the common state of sin and condemnation or to pass anyone by in the imparting of grace necessary for faith and conversion.
For these words stand fast: “He has mercy on whom he wishes, and he hardens whom he wishes” (Rom. 9:18). And also: “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given” (Matt. 13:11). Likewise: “I give glory to you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding, and have revealed them to little children; yes, Father, because that was your pleasure” (Matt. 11:25-26).

Judas was there and was cognitive of such secret knowledge and Jesus explicitly cites OTHERS who were not given such knowledge. And they were almost certainly excluded because they blasphemed the Holy Spirit.

Dort got it wrong.
 
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