ECT glorydaz says that Romans is Written to Unbelievers
- Thread starter Jerry Shugart
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Did you all notice Stan's misdirection and weasel words "basically"? Notice he did not address what Luke clearly states.
Um....that's what I believe.
It's you and your fellow MADists who put believers in different groups and eternities.
All believers from Able to you are members of the Body of Christ.
Maybe, but that's not the point, nor the topic.
You go on and on about your two gospels, and your two groups of believers (kingdom and body)
Paul called them Saints, therefore they were believers.
This poses a big problem for your two gospel theory because you can't have believers going from the "kingdom" program to the "body" program, or your theory falls apart.
You also can't have the Roman Saints in your "body" program because you have Paul as member #1 in your "body" program.
Paul makes it clear to the Romans that there were some "in Christ" before he was:
(Rom 16:7 KJV) Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.
You're not willing to admit that your "two gospel" theory falls apart if you place the Roman Saints in either of your two groups.
I don't have to.
The Romans were believers in the Body of Christ, as are all believers.
The Apostle Paul even tells us that some of them were in Christ before he was.
But that won't stop you and heir from perpetuating your "two gospel" theory.
You claimed the Romans were Gentile proselytes.
I pointed out that Romans 4:1 proves you wrong. Rom 4:1 makes it clear that Abraham was the forefather according to the flesh of the Romans Saints.
The remnant of Jews were the first Christians.
In the new covenant, yes.
In the NC, Gentiles were made fellow heirs with the promises to Israel. The two (Jew & Gentile) became one new man in Christ Jesus.
Yes, through their fall
Gentiles do not have to bless Israel in the NC
So far, not one MADist has said whether the Roman Saints were in MAD's "kingdom" program, or in MAD's "body" program.
STP claimed neither.
Every other MAD has avoided the question.
Why don't you enlighten us with your MAD expertise Nick?
Albert Einstein was a Christ rejector.
Jerry Shugart
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I have.
I demonstrated that by the time 1 Corinthians was written all who called on the name of the Lord Jesus were baptized into the Body of Christ.
That includes both the Gentiles and the Jews who lived under the law.
Ok, thanks for answering.
Could you please then explain what believers were in MAD's "kingdom" program?
Does this mean you also don't claim that Paul was the very first person in the BOC?
Or do you claim Paul was #1, then others from the "kingdom" program joined him?
I saw this post of yours:
Is Stam (and you) claiming that every "kingdom" believer eventually became a member of the BOC after hearing the gospel Paul preached?
You're using the OT to confirm the law of the Spirit in the NT?
How about reading 1 John 2:1 (NIV)
Just as Paul, I don't lie about being a sinner saved by grace. Anyone who says they no longer sin is deceived. 1 John 1:8-10 (NIV)
FYI, The Final Revelation of Christ brings ALL these prophecies into focus as ONLY Jesus could, so I suggest you learn Revelation and how to read the OT prophecies in light of it.
No wonder you're confused. You think Jesus preached the same thing John the Baptist did?
Another teapot heard from.
I do notice how pompous some are here and how they DON'T answer direct questions. Do you sin or not?
By the way, thanks for the neg-rep. I have an idea that you don't exactly excel in the IQ department? Am I correct?
If ya can't stand the heat, get outta Dodge!
Your icon says a lot about ya! Know what I mean?
Weasel is a good name for him!
I think you'll eventually get yourself banned. Have a nice day.
Jerry Shugart
Well-known member
Paul was not just addressing those in the church at Corinth but also "all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord":
"Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's" (1 Cor.1:2).
The Jewish believers everwhere called on the name of the Lord Jesus so the following words of Paul from the same epistles applied to them :
"For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit" (1 Cor.12:13).
After the rapture all of the members of the Body of Christ, both Jews and Gentiles, will return to the earth with the Lord Jesus and then they will be participants in the earthly kingdom:
"Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord" (1 Thess.4:17).
No. How can we (not you) live in it when we have died to it? You can't! He who has died has been freed from sin.
And I asked if you covet. Those in the NC do not covet. I covet, but I do not sin.