Gayness is inborn and gender is fluid???

[glassjester]

That's all moot anyway, isn't it, Horn?

The question is not whether incest is the moral equivalent of homosexuality. The question is whether it's a choice.

You say the world is hostile to homosexuality; therefore it cannot be a choice.
Well, the world is hostile to incest, too. Therefore... it cannot be a choice?

 

[glassjester]

Again, yes. We discussed this. Why don't you try and be celibate for a year?

That would be immoral. I am married.

 

[glassjester]

So, Quip, can someone's actions increase their homosexual desires?

 

[glassjester]

Incest is dangerous , because it can lead to children born with severe genetic defects .

And, Horn, your line of reasoning has an interesting implication.

In an environment that is not hostile to homosexuality, it is a choice.

 

[quip]

On otherwords, there's no practical reason to alter your innate heterosexual desires?
Correct?

 

[quip]

And, Horn, your line of reasoning has an interesting implication.

In an environment that is not hostile to homosexuality, it is a choice.

Straw-dogging again?

 

[quip]

So, Quip, can someone's actions increase their homosexual desires?

I dunno.
Certain actions increase my hetero ones..so I don't see homosexuality to be any diffrent.

 

[glassjester]

I dunno.
Certain actions increase my hetero ones..so I don't see homosexuality to be any diffrent.

Yes, that makes sense.

What actions might bring that increase about?

 

[quip]

Yes, that makes sense.

What actions might bring that increase about?

I'd answer but I'd probably get banned.:whip:

 

[glassjester]

On otherwords, there's no practical reason to alter your innate heterosexual desires?
Correct?

Of course there is, man.

I can't just go around lusting after every woman I see, can I?

 

[glassjester]

I'd answer but I'd probably get banned.

Fair enough. I get the point.

 

[quip]

Of course there is, man.

I can't just go around lusting after every woman I see, can I?

Right.....but promiscuity is not the current issue. Your view is that all homosexual urges are inherently immoral thus must be resisted.

 

[quip]

Of course there is, man.

Not with your wife.

 

[glassjester]

Not with your wife.

Of course there is, man.

I can't just go around appeasing any heterosexual desire (with my wife), anytime, anywhere.

There's the whole matter of consent, first off.
Second, there's the necessity of an appropriate time and place.
Also, depending on a certain cycle, appeasing such desire may not be an option.

 

[quip]

Of course there is, man.

I can't just go around appeasing any heterosexual desire (with my wife), anytime, anywhere.

There's the whole matter of consent, first off.
Second, there's the necessity of an appropriate time and place.
Also, depending on a certain cycle, appeasing such desire may not be an option.

Again, those apply universally.

I'm talking about general private, consensual interactions with your spouse.

No external thing or person should demand you resist your sexual urges with your spouse.

So, what makes your imposition upon homosexuality rational?

 

[glassjester]

Again, those apply universally.

I'm talking about general private, consensual interactions with your spouse.

No external thing or person should demand you resist your sexual urges with your spouse.

So, what makes your imposition upon homosexuality rational?

Psychologically, it's a disordered desire, akin to pica.

Morally, it's the equivalent of fornication or contraception.

 

[quip]

Psychologically, it's a disordered desire, akin to pica.

Morally, it's the equivalent of fornication or contraception.

Thus, gays should just stop acting gay because you and others morally disagree with them. Though you'd find similar treatment regarding you and your wife's sexual relationship disagreeable?

 

[patrick jane]

So, gays were taught a mental disease?

No, the first case was a mental defect, then the ones that are mental defects teach normal people through molestation and rape

 

[glassjester]

Thus, gays should just stop acting gay because you and others disagree.

What are you talking about?

Though you'd find similar treatment regarding you and your wife's sexual relationship disagreeable?

Not if you could explain to me why my relationship with my wife is disordered or immoral.

Say, for example, if we found out we were siblings separated at birth.
Or that my wife was secretly already married to another man.

 

[quip]

No, the first case was a mental defect, then the ones that are mental defects teach normal people through molestation and rape

So, only the first one was mentally defective....the rest are just following his lead.

Sounds alot like Trump Nation....but I digress. :chuckle:

Anyway, was not the first one born that way? :think: