Gayness is inborn and gender is fluid???

[quip]

That is absolute nonsense.

The identifying of sense of self as such by a child and or its parent is much like when one reads the wrong thing into another's words and runs with it convinced they have "read them right; got their number" and or such other forms of mis-fires in perception concluded on not only to soon; but absent of having weighed out all aspects of a thing before concluding on it, let alone; soundly.

The fact is that children have no business dictating they are gay or straight or transgender, or what ever other sense of self the incompetent and the depraved might come up with down the road, anymore than they do wanting to go play in traffic.

They don't know any better.

What is going on is parents who are as "wise" in their discernment of what to do upon encountering such issues, as a parent who concludes they know what they are doing when they decide to leave their toddler in the back seat of their car on a scorching hot day "just for a moment."

Yours is nothing more than just a different shade of the extreme through which many on here are looking at these issues.

Your opinion regarding how a purported homosexual must correctly view themselves ....is duly noted. lain:

 

[The Horn]

There you go again ,OK Doser, with your phony comparison of homosexuality with pedophilia . You just don't get it . Pedophiles harm children by using them as prey .
Consenting gays having sex in private harms NO ONE . No more than consenting heterosexuals having sex in private .

 

[quip]

I disagree that people are born gay. I think it's taught by other gays and the media

Via first cause logic...if so, from whence did the first gay ever exist!? :think:

 

[ok doser]

There you go again ,OK Doser, with your phony comparison of homosexuality with pedophilia .

what's phony about it?

in both cases, the choice is made to act perverted in a world that is hostile to them

 

[glassjester]

Horn, why would some people choose to be incestuous in a world so hostile to incest?

 

[quip]

what's phony about it?

in both cases, the choice is made to act perverted in a world that is hostile to them

Consenting vs non-consenting. :idunno:

 

[glassjester]

People make stupid or disgusting choices all the time. Is that really proof that it must not have been a choice at all?

Every time someone makes a choice that others don't like, it must have been inborn? Nonsense. Total nonsense.

 

[glassjester]

Consenting vs non-consenting. :idunno:

Why do some people choose to eat until they become obese, even though nobody's a fan of obesity?

 

[quip]

Why do some people choose to eat until they become obese, even though nobody's a fan of obesity?

Mayhap they're predisposed to binge eating...like born that way. :idea:

 

[glassjester]

Mayhap they're predisposed to binge eating...like born that way. :idea:

And therefore they must choose to overeat? Repeatedly? Continuously? Year after year?

 

[glassjester]

Do you really think no fat person got that way as a result of their own choices? That's insane, man.

 

[quip]

And therefore they must choose to overeat? Repeatedly? Continuously? Year after year?

For a healthier cause they may resolve to suppress it, though in the case of homosexuality....why? Because you/society dissapprove. You gotta do better than that.

 

[glassjester]

There you go again ,OK Doser, with your phony comparison of homosexuality with pedophilia . You just don't get it . Pedophiles harm children by using them as prey .
Consenting gays having sex in private harms NO ONE . No more than consenting heterosexuals having sex in private .

You just don't get the comparison. You concluded that homosexuals must not have chosen homosexuality because the world is hostile to it.

If that's a valid conclusion, then so is Doser's.

 

[glassjester]

For a healthier cause they may resolve to suppress it,

So it's possible to not act on a desire?

 

[quip]

So it's possible to not act on a desire?

Sure, likewise its possible for you to choose to be celibate...though base attraction is more visceral.

 

[ok doser]

You just don't get the comparison. You concluded that homosexuals must not have chosen homosexuality because the world is hostile to it.

If that's a valid conclusion, then so is Doser's.

horn and i have been down this path before

he's either incapable of understanding the logic of my response, or he's trolling :idunno:

 

[quip]

horn and i have been down this path before

he's either incapable of understanding the logic of my response, or he's trolling :idunno:

Does the pedophile actively choose to be a pedophile or simply choose to act on innate pedo impulses? Your specious comparision fails to differentiate between the possibilities.

 

[glassjester]

Does the pedophile actively choose to be a pedophile or simply choose to act on innate pedo impulses? Your specious comparision fails to differentiate between the possibilities.

Do you believe any impulses are not innate?

 

[quip]

Do you believe any impulses are not innate?

That's the million dollar question. Nature vs. Nurture. I believe we all have an innate predisposition...or sinful nature, as Christians would claim it.

 

[ok doser]

Does the pedophile actively choose to be a pedophile or simply choose to act on innate pedo impulses?

it's a choice either way, right?