Freewill religion is the Man of Sin !
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Nanja
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Amen. It is God's Will to give the Kingdom to only those Christ died for; the "many" (Isaiah 53:12 KJV)
as The Father has given Him (John 6:37 KJV). And so they belong to Him, they are His inheritance
predestinated to be His Children "according to the good pleasure of His Will" Eph. 1:5 KJV.
How can man, a created thing, even think that by his own "freewill", he can dictate to the Creator
whom He will adopt as a son? Rom. 9:20 KJV
According to God's Purpose and Grace, His Work in saving His People (Mat. 1:21)
was already accomplished before the foundation. 2 Tim. 1:9 KJV; Rom. 9:23
Unchangeable!
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Any ism is fine with me as long as they prove thier free speech with a source. Otherwise no one could post anything on TOL but bible quotes. Bible quotes, only is a standard for some. When your pastor speaks at the pulpit, he is an ism. Call him or her "ism". (Who has a her as a paster?)
You can call me an ism all day long and I wouldn't care as some of you noticed.
beloved57
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nanja
Amen, even a heathen king came to know that the Most High giveth a Kingdom to whomsover He wills, now if this is True of the Kingdom of men, how much more so with the Kingdom of God Dan 4:17
This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.
This king later says Dan 4:32,35
And they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field: they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and seven times shall pass over thee, until thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.
And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
No doubt this king would not believe the false doctrine of mans freewill !
Amen !
Amen, even a heathen king came to know that the Most High giveth a Kingdom to whomsover He wills, now if this is True of the Kingdom of men, how much more so with the Kingdom of God Dan 4:17
This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.
This king later says Dan 4:32,35
And they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field: they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and seven times shall pass over thee, until thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.
And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
No doubt this king would not believe the false doctrine of mans freewill !
Amen !
blackbirdking
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beloved57
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Adam made in God's Image and Likeness !
Adam made in God's Image and Likeness !
Gen 1:26
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Adam and man in him being made in the Image and Likeness had not its origin in Adam being made out of the dust of the ground, but as it was founded upon Election in Christ, who is the very Image of God 2 Cor 4:4
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
In other words, we know that the mankind that was first created in Adam to be the Elect of God, also the Election of Grace, who all shall come into the experimental reality of being in the Image of God, when they are when they are New Men by New Creation Eph 4:24
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
In adam that was not the case, man in him had not arrived to being created experimentally in Righteousness and True Holiness !
Col 3:10
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
This knowledge man had not in adam at creation, and mind you who Paul is writing to and of in this comment Col 3:12
12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
They will be continually be changed in to that Image experimentally by the Spirit 2 Cor 3:18
But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Yes, this is because they were at the First created in the Image and Likeness of God Gen 1:26, but it was foundational on being Chosen in Christ, and consequently the Work of the Spirit, not being created out of the dust of the ground !
Yes this Means that in the Beginning when God said Gen 1:26
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
He then had an eye to the Redemptive Work of Christ and the Renewing Work of the Spirit !
Adam made in God's Image and Likeness !
Gen 1:26
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Adam and man in him being made in the Image and Likeness had not its origin in Adam being made out of the dust of the ground, but as it was founded upon Election in Christ, who is the very Image of God 2 Cor 4:4
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
In other words, we know that the mankind that was first created in Adam to be the Elect of God, also the Election of Grace, who all shall come into the experimental reality of being in the Image of God, when they are when they are New Men by New Creation Eph 4:24
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
In adam that was not the case, man in him had not arrived to being created experimentally in Righteousness and True Holiness !
Col 3:10
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
This knowledge man had not in adam at creation, and mind you who Paul is writing to and of in this comment Col 3:12
12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
They will be continually be changed in to that Image experimentally by the Spirit 2 Cor 3:18
But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Yes, this is because they were at the First created in the Image and Likeness of God Gen 1:26, but it was foundational on being Chosen in Christ, and consequently the Work of the Spirit, not being created out of the dust of the ground !
Yes this Means that in the Beginning when God said Gen 1:26
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
He then had an eye to the Redemptive Work of Christ and the Renewing Work of the Spirit !
blackbirdking
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Thank you sooo.. much; we know now that God had to cause evil, in His own image and likeness, in order for good. Hmm... I wonder, wasn't "good" good enough? Hmmm...., nope, not good enough for God's own lusts.
Thanks again Beloved.
beloved57
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Please rehearse post 1207 with me, show me that you understand the Logic and points I used and explain it, even though you may disagree with it. Thanks !
beloved57
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Adam made in God's Image and Likeness ! 2
Adam made in God's Image and Likeness ! 2
Now in fact, man in adam being created in the Image of God, which is also Christ who Created him Col 1:15-16
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature[Christ]:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
His being in God's Image is sorely incomplete without the Spiritual Knowledge of Christ, which Adam had not at Creation, but which comes through the Gospel 2 Cor 4:5-7
5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
The Elect in Adam at Creation did not have this Knowledge, which Knowledge is essential to being in the Image of God Col 3:10
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
Who Created him ? Why it was Christ Col 1:16
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Listen, when satan via the serpent caused the fall, it did not in one bit hinder or oppose God's Purpose for man in Christ or in adam, but it only effected it and prospered it, so that the Elect in Adam, the Godly Seed See Mal 2:15 would experience Eternal Redemptive Love, that would effect the Purpose of God in conforming them experimentally into the Image of God/Christ, from whom in relation to they come into the True Knowledge of being made in the Image of God Gen 1:26, which knowledge was not in Adam at all, but in Christ, whom they were Chosen in before the foundation of the World Rom 8:28-30; Eph 1:4-5 !
Adam made in God's Image and Likeness ! 2
Now in fact, man in adam being created in the Image of God, which is also Christ who Created him Col 1:15-16
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature[Christ]:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
His being in God's Image is sorely incomplete without the Spiritual Knowledge of Christ, which Adam had not at Creation, but which comes through the Gospel 2 Cor 4:5-7
5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
The Elect in Adam at Creation did not have this Knowledge, which Knowledge is essential to being in the Image of God Col 3:10
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
Who Created him ? Why it was Christ Col 1:16
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Listen, when satan via the serpent caused the fall, it did not in one bit hinder or oppose God's Purpose for man in Christ or in adam, but it only effected it and prospered it, so that the Elect in Adam, the Godly Seed See Mal 2:15 would experience Eternal Redemptive Love, that would effect the Purpose of God in conforming them experimentally into the Image of God/Christ, from whom in relation to they come into the True Knowledge of being made in the Image of God Gen 1:26, which knowledge was not in Adam at all, but in Christ, whom they were Chosen in before the foundation of the World Rom 8:28-30; Eph 1:4-5 !
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beloved57
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Hey, did you comprehend my points made in posts 1207 and 1210 ? I challenge you to review them with me and show them to be wrong ! That challenge goes out to one and all !
blackbirdking
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So Adam was not created in God's image and likeness; I think I got that part.
Adam was not created in the image and likeness of God. God was talking about the elect that He had created before Adam; right so far?
God saw all the elect from before creation, and He is talking about them. Right? He said that was good, right?
Nanja
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Agree. The Godly Seed in Adam, all the Elect, were predestined to be conformed to the Image of Christ which is God.
Rom. 8:29 KJV. God's redemptive plan is unchangeable / immutable; decreed before the foundation (2 Tim. 1:9 KJV).
Thus taking man's freewill ability to choose salvation totally out of the equation. For God is Sovereign in all His Works;
He determined them to be done! Acts 15:18 KJV
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Nanja
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Yes, that's a fact. However, freewill religion erroneously teaches that all of mankind was created in the image of God.
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blackbirdking
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Yes, you are saying Adam as a man was not created in the image and likeness of God, because Adam was not "created experimentally in Righteousness and True Holiness"; but that the elect who were in Adam were created in the image and likeness of God.
blackbirdking
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Satan caused the fall? Didn't realize you believed that.
blackbirdking
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Free will also allows a man or woman to experience guilt; if you can't choose to sin, it's not you sinning. If you're are in a car and hit a bridge, you hit the bridge because the driver didn't drive right.
You believe God is the driver; and that he bails out and then you hit the bridge.
Free will says I'm the driver and God bails me out then He hits the bridge...