Freewill religion is the Man of Sin !
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was your post a free will decision?
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Yep!__was your reply?
yes and that means you can hold me responsible for it
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No worries. Likewise.
beloved57
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See ya at the Judgment !
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You presume much__as usual.
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See ya at the Judgment, you will see. You have a lot of mouth right now !
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They worship the creature more than the Creator !
They worship the creature more than the Creator !
Rom 1:25
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Those who make Salvation ,or Justification or any branch of being saved contingent upon conditions they must perform, because Christ by His Death only made things a possibility, then it is, those do more for their actual salvation than Christ did,since without their own performance of the condition, they remain in a condemned lost state !
They worship the creature more than the Creator !
Rom 1:25
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Those who make Salvation ,or Justification or any branch of being saved contingent upon conditions they must perform, because Christ by His Death only made things a possibility, then it is, those do more for their actual salvation than Christ did,since without their own performance of the condition, they remain in a condemned lost state !
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By that, I assume ones faith isn't necessary.
beloved57
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I will see you a the Judgment !
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LOL!! . . . . you phony.
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I will see you at the Judgment ! LOL
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Beware of the Leaven !
Beware of the Leaven !
The great enemy of the cause of Christ, the devil, will not make it obvious that his intention is to undermind the value, merit and efficaciousness of the Death of Christ.
That faith or believing is instrumental by which the elect of God receive and have administered to them, in that the gracious sentence of having our sins forgiven and Justification before God is communicated and concludes in our consciences is a truth of scripture Acts 10:43
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
However, we must not make the mistake, as the false teachers do, to suppose that by believing or by faith we do cause the Lords death to satisfy God's Law and Justice for us, or that until we believe, that God does not accept Christ's death as a satisfaction for our sins. This is the teaching of antichrist.
The fact is, the one believing has been induced to believe, that God has already forgiven them for their sins, His wrath being satisfied and He has received a ransom price in the blood of His Son, and Faith is given to receive this testimony, for hence, faith is a receptive cause but not a efficient cause in forgiveness of sins or Justification, a means to receive but not to cause Justification or salvation !
Beware of the deadly leaven of the antichrist ministers who say otherwise, no matter how appealing it sounds to the ears !
Beware of the Leaven !
The great enemy of the cause of Christ, the devil, will not make it obvious that his intention is to undermind the value, merit and efficaciousness of the Death of Christ.
That faith or believing is instrumental by which the elect of God receive and have administered to them, in that the gracious sentence of having our sins forgiven and Justification before God is communicated and concludes in our consciences is a truth of scripture Acts 10:43
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
However, we must not make the mistake, as the false teachers do, to suppose that by believing or by faith we do cause the Lords death to satisfy God's Law and Justice for us, or that until we believe, that God does not accept Christ's death as a satisfaction for our sins. This is the teaching of antichrist.
The fact is, the one believing has been induced to believe, that God has already forgiven them for their sins, His wrath being satisfied and He has received a ransom price in the blood of His Son, and Faith is given to receive this testimony, for hence, faith is a receptive cause but not a efficient cause in forgiveness of sins or Justification, a means to receive but not to cause Justification or salvation !
Beware of the deadly leaven of the antichrist ministers who say otherwise, no matter how appealing it sounds to the ears !
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See ya at the Judgment !
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Faith pleases God !
Faith pleases God !
Heb 11:6
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
For any man to say that he can exercise Faith here, which pleases God, while yet in a state of nature, they are a liar, for its like saying that a corrupt tree can bring forth good fruit Matt 7:18
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
And Yes Faith is a good fruit from a goodly source Gal 5:22
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith [ Same Word in Heb 11:6],
Thats why when Faith is mentioned in Justification or Salvation, it means evidence of Spiritual Life, or having been born again of the Spirit. Yes the one exercising Faith, has been born of God, and that is what pleases God, His own Work in us through Christ, that is what pleases God Heb 13:21
21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Those who say they pleased God with human faith, not being born again, they are liars !
They that are in the Flesh cannot please God Rom 8:8
So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
So how can one exercise Faith in Heb 11:6 and be in the flesh ? Paul confirms here in Rom 8:8 what Jesus had already stated here Matt 7:18
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Faith pleases God !
Heb 11:6
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
For any man to say that he can exercise Faith here, which pleases God, while yet in a state of nature, they are a liar, for its like saying that a corrupt tree can bring forth good fruit Matt 7:18
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
And Yes Faith is a good fruit from a goodly source Gal 5:22
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith [ Same Word in Heb 11:6],
Thats why when Faith is mentioned in Justification or Salvation, it means evidence of Spiritual Life, or having been born again of the Spirit. Yes the one exercising Faith, has been born of God, and that is what pleases God, His own Work in us through Christ, that is what pleases God Heb 13:21
21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Those who say they pleased God with human faith, not being born again, they are liars !
They that are in the Flesh cannot please God Rom 8:8
So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
So how can one exercise Faith in Heb 11:6 and be in the flesh ? Paul confirms here in Rom 8:8 what Jesus had already stated here Matt 7:18
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
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Conversion is from God !
Conversion is from God !
Acts 3:19
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
The antichrist crowd would have us believe the lie that a mans conversion to God is contingent upon his own freewill, but that is a lie, for all of Salvation from beginning to its glorious consummation in Glory is all of God, the beginning of which is conversion. God of old promised conversion to the Elect Seed here Deut 30:6
6 And the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
That seed is Identified by Paul here by heart circumcision Rom 2:29
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
These who had a Spiritual reputation of Faith Rom 1:8
8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
Yes, these here are those in Rom 2:29 !
Who are also these Rom 4:13-16
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
Now this vs 16 " all the seed" is speaking of both jew and gentile ! And they are the same as those in Rom 2:29 who are the ones Identified in Deut 30:6. This informs us that gentiles were part of that seed who it was promised Heart Circumcision to in Deut 30:6, that was a Mystery then !
So yes, again, the seed of Rom 4:13,16 comprised of both jew and gentile believers in Christ, are the seed that God promised conversion to or that He would circumcise their heart in Deut 30:6, which circumcision results in conversion ! I like to see anyone refute this with scripture. This also Identifies Israel as the Church, the Body of Christ, if we have eyes to see !
Conversion is from God !
Acts 3:19
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
The antichrist crowd would have us believe the lie that a mans conversion to God is contingent upon his own freewill, but that is a lie, for all of Salvation from beginning to its glorious consummation in Glory is all of God, the beginning of which is conversion. God of old promised conversion to the Elect Seed here Deut 30:6
6 And the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
That seed is Identified by Paul here by heart circumcision Rom 2:29
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
These who had a Spiritual reputation of Faith Rom 1:8
8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
Yes, these here are those in Rom 2:29 !
Who are also these Rom 4:13-16
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
Now this vs 16 " all the seed" is speaking of both jew and gentile ! And they are the same as those in Rom 2:29 who are the ones Identified in Deut 30:6. This informs us that gentiles were part of that seed who it was promised Heart Circumcision to in Deut 30:6, that was a Mystery then !
So yes, again, the seed of Rom 4:13,16 comprised of both jew and gentile believers in Christ, are the seed that God promised conversion to or that He would circumcise their heart in Deut 30:6, which circumcision results in conversion ! I like to see anyone refute this with scripture. This also Identifies Israel as the Church, the Body of Christ, if we have eyes to see !
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Conversion is from God ! cont
Conversion is from God ! cont
That God did promise conversion and that it is performed by and through Christ unto the Seed, the Children of Promise or Covenant or of the Prophets is seen in Peter's sermon here Acts 3:22-26
22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
The blessing of Conversion through Christ is acknowledged by Peter in Vs 26, where it is proclaimed that Jesus Christ was SENT to Bless them [ Gen 12:3] How ? In Turning everyone of them from their sins or wickedness, that is Conversion !
And for any to ignorantly reply that this here only applied to ethnic jews, then you totally disregard Vs 25 which announces that through Christ the Promised Seed, All Nations shall be blessed ! Blessed how ? Vs 26 by turning them from their sins, Conversion. Now to deny this is to deny the Gospel, for Paul said God Preached the Gospel to Abraham, and what was it ? Gal 3:8
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
That is what Acts 3:25 refers to !
25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
Peter here at the time he preached it, was just ignorant that it applied to Gentiles also ! But doctrinally and according to the Faith he was sound !
Conversion is from God ! cont
That God did promise conversion and that it is performed by and through Christ unto the Seed, the Children of Promise or Covenant or of the Prophets is seen in Peter's sermon here Acts 3:22-26
22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
The blessing of Conversion through Christ is acknowledged by Peter in Vs 26, where it is proclaimed that Jesus Christ was SENT to Bless them [ Gen 12:3] How ? In Turning everyone of them from their sins or wickedness, that is Conversion !
And for any to ignorantly reply that this here only applied to ethnic jews, then you totally disregard Vs 25 which announces that through Christ the Promised Seed, All Nations shall be blessed ! Blessed how ? Vs 26 by turning them from their sins, Conversion. Now to deny this is to deny the Gospel, for Paul said God Preached the Gospel to Abraham, and what was it ? Gal 3:8
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
That is what Acts 3:25 refers to !
25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
Peter here at the time he preached it, was just ignorant that it applied to Gentiles also ! But doctrinally and according to the Faith he was sound !
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Who calls upon the Name of the Lord to be saved ?
Who calls upon the Name of the Lord to be saved ?
Rom 10:13
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
The antichrist teachers have hijacked this scripture to teach that Christ died for all without exception and now they all have a chance to get saved if they call upon the name of the Lord ! That is false teaching. This scripture is just Paul reminding that Salvation through Christ, the promised Messiah provides Salvation for both Jews and Gentiles alike vs 12
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
But the question remains, who are those that do actually call upon the name of the Lord and shall be saved ?
First thing to understand, it is those who have been quickened to spiritual life who had been dead in trespasses and sins Eph 2:5
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)
That quickening is what saved them ! and made them alive !
So it is written here Ps 80:18
18 So will not we go back from thee: quicken us, and we will call upon thy name. or ESV
Then we shall not turn back from you; give us life, and we will call upon your name!
Quickening or Life precedes calling upon the name of the Lord, and that quickening is what saved us Eph 2:5, so those who call upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved, meaning their calling upon His Name gave evidence that they had been quickened or saved already !
So calling upon the Name of the Lord in Rom 10:13 is not stating a condition that man must do to get God to save him, but stating a fact that the Messiah has saved all those calling upon Him both of the jews and gentiles as they had been called Rom 9:23-24
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Rom 10:12 confirms Rom 9:23 that those Calling Upon the Lord in Vs 13 are recipients of the Riches of God's Mercy !
Who calls upon the Name of the Lord to be saved ?
Rom 10:13
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
The antichrist teachers have hijacked this scripture to teach that Christ died for all without exception and now they all have a chance to get saved if they call upon the name of the Lord ! That is false teaching. This scripture is just Paul reminding that Salvation through Christ, the promised Messiah provides Salvation for both Jews and Gentiles alike vs 12
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
But the question remains, who are those that do actually call upon the name of the Lord and shall be saved ?
First thing to understand, it is those who have been quickened to spiritual life who had been dead in trespasses and sins Eph 2:5
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)
That quickening is what saved them ! and made them alive !
So it is written here Ps 80:18
18 So will not we go back from thee: quicken us, and we will call upon thy name. or ESV
Then we shall not turn back from you; give us life, and we will call upon your name!
Quickening or Life precedes calling upon the name of the Lord, and that quickening is what saved us Eph 2:5, so those who call upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved, meaning their calling upon His Name gave evidence that they had been quickened or saved already !
So calling upon the Name of the Lord in Rom 10:13 is not stating a condition that man must do to get God to save him, but stating a fact that the Messiah has saved all those calling upon Him both of the jews and gentiles as they had been called Rom 9:23-24
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Rom 10:12 confirms Rom 9:23 that those Calling Upon the Lord in Vs 13 are recipients of the Riches of God's Mercy !