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Grosnick Marowbe

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God's Truth said:
The Gentiles knew the Jews did not associate with them and that they were unclean!

There isn't a different message!

The Gentiles were dead in their sins because they did not clean themselves with the ceremonial works...they were dead in their sins and the UN circumcision of their flesh.

Colossians 2:13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,


Paul is explaining to GENTILES that Jesus saved them and did not make them get circumcised before he saved them.
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They (gentiles) NEVER were under any law of God to begin with.
 
chrysostom

chrysostom

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Grosnick Marowbe said:
Read/study Paul's writings "Romans through Philemon." Then, you
MAY find out? I'm not gonna be a "verbal puppet" for you and keep
saying the same thing over and over again, while you giggle in the
foreground.
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I get it
I understand why you think paul is preaching a different message
but
I don't understand why there would be two messages
and
that is my question

has anyone explained why there should be two messages?
 
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Grosnick Marowbe

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God's Truth said:
The Gentiles could have converted and obeyed the old law with the ceremonial works. However, they did not, and that is why they were SEPARATE and WITHOUT God.


Ephesians 2:12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world.
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So, you're saying that as a "general rule?" Like every gentile was aware of that fact? Don't be so silly, it makes you look sillier than you have to be.
 
God's Truth

God's Truth

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The message that saves is about sin.

The message that saves is about Jesus, the Sacrificial Lamb of God dying for our sins.
 
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Grosnick Marowbe

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chrysostom said:
can you ignore her for a minute
and
answer my question?
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The Kingdom Message is for the members of the House of Israel. It
relates to a time when Christ will sit on the throne of David, here
on earth. Christ will reign over His people Israel for a period of time.

The Grace Message was for the gentiles and preached by the Apostle
Paul. He preached, "faith without works" saves. Anyone who became
a member of the Body of Christ was indwelt, sealed and baptized into
the Body of Christ (not by water) but, by the Holy Spirit. They also
received the righteousness of Christ Himself therefore, forgiveness
of ALL sin (past, present and future) and eternal life with God in
Heaven.

Today, both Jew and gentile alike are under the Grace Message.
(Paul's Gospel) The Kingdom Message is no longer being preached.

Anyone who hears the Grace Message, places their faith in Christ
alone (not their works/deeds, church affiliation, or supposed
obedience) can receive eternal life. They are then, a member of
the Body of Christ, have gained eternal life which they cannot lose,
and have the indwelling and sealing of the Holy Spirit.
 
God's Truth

God's Truth

New member
Grosnick Marowbe said:
The Kingdom Message is for the members of the House of Israel. It
relates to a time when Christ will sit on the throne of David, here
on earth. Christ will reign over His people Israel for a period of time.

The Grace Message was for the gentiles and preached by the Apostle
Paul. He preached, "faith without works" saves. Anyone who became
a member of the Body of Christ was indwelt, sealed and baptized into
the Body of Christ (not by water) but, by the Holy Spirit. They also
received the righteousness of Christ Himself therefore, forgiveness
of ALL sin (past, present and future) and eternal life with God in
Heaven.

Today, both Jew and gentile alike are under the Grace Message.
(Paul's Gospel) The Kingdom Message is no longer being preached.

Anyone who hears the Grace Message, places their faith in Christ
alone (not their works/deeds, church affiliation, or supposed
obedience) can receive eternal life. They are then, a member of
the Body of Christ, have gained eternal life which they cannot lose,
and have the indwelling and sealing of the Holy Spirit.
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Jesus' words stand forever.

Jesus came with GRACE.

Why don't you believe?
 
Jerry Shugart

Jerry Shugart

Well-known member
God's Truth said:
There isn't a different message!
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The "good news" (gospel) which was preached to the Jews is the truth that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. And belief in that truth brought life by being born of God (Jn.20:31; 1 Jn.5:1-5).

The "good news" (gospel) which was preached to the Gentiles is the "gospel of the grace of God," that believers are "justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus" (Ro.3:24).

Anyone who believe that these two instances of "good news" are the same "good news" are not playing with a full deck.
 
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Grosnick Marowbe

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Hall of Fame
Jerry Shugart said:
The "good news" (gospel) which was preached to the Jews is the truth that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. And belief in that truth brought life by being born of God (Jn.20:31; 1 Jn.5:1-5).

The "good news" (gospel) which was preached to the Gentiles is the "gospel of the grace of God," that believers are "justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus" (Ro.3:24).

Anyone who believe that these two instances of "good news" are the same "good news" are not playing with a full deck.
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True
 
God's Truth

God's Truth

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Jerry Shugart said:
The "good news" (gospel) which was preached to the Jews is the truth that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God.
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Wow, that was ignorant. We ALL have to believe that Jesus is the Christ.

Jerry Shugart said:
And belief in that truth brought life by being born of God (Jn.20:31; 1 Jn.5:1-5).
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No one has life---not the Jews then, the Jews now, and no Gentile---UNLESS THEY ARE BORN AGAIN BY HAVING JESUS FORGIVE THEIR SINS.

Jerry Shugart said:
The "good news" (gospel) which was preached to the Gentiles is the "gospel of the grace of God," that believers are "justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus" (Ro.3:24).

Anyone who believe that these two instances of "good news" are the same "good news" are not playing with a full deck.
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You have no other way to defend yourself than with insults.
I think you described yourself exactly about not having a full deck.
Be more careful how you judge next time, for you expose what you are.
 
steko

steko

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LIFETIME MEMBER
God's Truth said:
We have to be ready for when Jesus comes again because when he comes again it will not be to bear sin. How are these people who rejected him going to be forgiven if they have no one to forgive their sin?
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Gen 50:17 So shall ye say unto Joseph, Forgive, I pray thee now, the trespass of thy brethren, and their sin; for they did unto thee evil: and now, we pray thee, forgive the trespass of the servants of the God of thy father. And Joseph wept when they spake unto him.
Gen 50:18 And his brethren also went and fell down before his face; and they said, Behold, we be thy servants.
Gen 50:19 And Joseph said unto them, Fear not: for am I in the place of God?
Gen 50:20 But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.
 
chrysostom

chrysostom

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Grosnick Marowbe said:
The Kingdom Message is for the members of the House of Israel. It
relates to a time when Christ will sit on the throne of David, here
on earth. Christ will reign over His people Israel for a period of time.

The Grace Message was for the gentiles and preached by the Apostle
Paul. He preached, "faith without works" saves. Anyone who became
a member of the Body of Christ was indwelt, sealed and baptized into
the Body of Christ (not by water) but, by the Holy Spirit. They also
received the righteousness of Christ Himself therefore, forgiveness
of ALL sin (past, present and future) and eternal life with God in
Heaven.

Today, both Jew and gentile alike are under the Grace Message.
(Paul's Gospel) The Kingdom Message is no longer being preached.

Anyone who hears the Grace Message, places their faith in Christ
alone (not their works/deeds, church affiliation, or supposed
obedience) can receive eternal life. They are then, a member of
the Body of Christ, have gained eternal life which they cannot lose,
and have the indwelling and sealing of the Holy Spirit.
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thank you
for now I just wanted to capture this
and
will soon be asking specific questions on various parts of it
 
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