ECT Forgiving and Forgiveness

IMJerusha

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The book of Luke speaks to us? The Body of Christ? Really?

Why not? The book of Isaiah speaks to us. Come on, Grosnick, don't hand me your one liner disclaimers. Explain how God's Word goes against God's people? Your stance makes no sense. Are you a sheep that follows blindly? It's as if you people don't know Who your God is! I see you as a man with faith in Yeshua who has no clue as to your origins in the faith. I don't mean that as an insult.
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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The four Gospels speak ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel. They have NOTHING
to do with the Body of Christ. Until Christ met Saul (Paul) on the road to
Damascus and subsequently gave him the Grace Message to take to the
gentiles, the Body of Christ wasn't mentioned in the four Gospels.
 

IMJerusha

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No problem. Look at Heirs post. I agree with her. I certainly don't
agree with you, and your ilk!

Heir put forth her doctrinal understanding, not the method whereby she rightly divides Scripture. At this point, I'm not too sure you really know what you agree with. As a man, you should be able to speak for yourself.
 

IMJerusha

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The four Gospels speak ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel. They have NOTHING
to do with the Body of Christ. Until Christ met Saul (Paul) on the road to
Damascus and subsequently gave him the Grace Message to take to the
gentiles, the Body of Christ wasn't mentioned in the four Gospels.

And how do you know that is right division of Scripture? And yes, the Body of Christ is mentioned in the four Gospels.
 

IMJerusha

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Luke 22:19 "And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, 'This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.' "

John 15:1-5 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful. You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me. I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing."

John 17:6-26 “I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word. Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you. For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me. I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours. All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them. I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one. While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled. I am coming to you now, but I say these things while I am still in the world, so that they may have the full measure of my joy within them. I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world. My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one. They are not of the world, even as I am not of it. Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth. As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world. For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified. My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one—I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me. Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world. Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them."
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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Romans 16:25 states: Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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Paul calls it: His GOSPEL. There were two distinct Messages being
preached at that time. The Kingdom Message to the Jews and the Grace
Message (Paul's Gospel) to the gentiles.
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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Luke 22:19 "And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, 'This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.' "

John 15:1-5 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful. You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me. I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing."

John 17:6-26 “I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word. Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you. For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me. I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours. All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them. I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one. While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled. I am coming to you now, but I say these things while I am still in the world, so that they may have the full measure of my joy within them. I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world. My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one. They are not of the world, even as I am not of it. Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth. As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world. For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified. My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one—I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me. Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world. Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them."

Christ was speaking/referring to the lost sheep of Israel. God's OTHER
Message was ONLY revealed to Paul later on.
 

IMJerusha

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IMJ, do you know anything about "The Mystery" that Paul was made 'privy' to?

Absolutely! The same mystery that all of the disciples were made privy to by Yeshua; salvation through Him...ONLY through Him. Yeshua spoke it plainly: "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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Absolutely! The same mystery that all of the disciples were made privy to by Yeshua; salvation through Him...ONLY through Him. Yeshua spoke it plainly: "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6

At that time, Christ was ONLY dealing with the lost sheep of Israel. He
wasn't speaking to the gentiles until "Paul's Gospel" came about.
 

IMJerusha

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Paul calls it: His GOSPEL. There were two distinct Messages being
preached at that time. The Kingdom Message to the Jews and the Grace
Message (Paul's Gospel) to the gentiles.

That's your doctrinal understanding but in this understanding is wrong division; the division of Yeshua to God's people. There is only one people of God and Yeshua is their High Priest and He is One with the Father.
 

IMJerusha

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At that time, Christ was ONLY dealing with the lost sheep of Israel. He
wasn't speaking to the gentiles until "Paul's Gospel" came about.

And that's a crock because we know from Scripture that Gentiles had long been accepted into God's House. This is why I ask you to put forth your method of right division of Scripture. Scripture does not goes against itself and if your doctrine goes against Scripture, your doctrine is incorrect.
 

IMJerusha

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The "ASCENDED" Christ revealed this to Paul.

Revealed a different way to God? Nope. "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6

And when Yeshua states that forgiveness is a requirement of God's in order to reap His forgiveness, it's important that we pay attention to Him. Paul stated that a man reaps what he sows. Such a mystery as was heard already by the disciples! (Matthew 13)
 
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