Define how giving a book to friends is preaching. Show the constitutional clause that says you must leave your personal faith at the door of your employment.
Fire chief fired after gay comments in book
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Define how giving a book to friends is preaching. Show the constitutional clause that says you must leave your personal faith at the door of your employment.
Waiting for the claimed legal reference here.
Jose Fly
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In Ohio...
"123:7-1-02 Solicitation and distribution activities by employees.
(A) An employee may solicit other employees in both non-work and work areas only if all employees involved are on non-working time.
(B) An employee may distribute literature in a non-work area on non-working time only if all employees involved are on non-working time."
"123:7-1-02 Solicitation and distribution activities by employees.
(A) An employee may solicit other employees in both non-work and work areas only if all employees involved are on non-working time.
(B) An employee may distribute literature in a non-work area on non-working time only if all employees involved are on non-working time."
Nothing was "distrubuted" to all employees and nothing was solicited in any way, and he gave a couple friends a book on their lunch break.
Try again.
10 to one this guy wins a lawsuit over it all. Any takers?
Jose Fly
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Nobody said otherwise. Again read the Ohio regs...
(A) An employee may solicit other employees in both non-work and work areas only if all employees involved are on non-working time.
Note it doesn't say anything about "all" employees, but rather says "other employees".
(B) An employee may distribute literature in a non-work area on non-working time only if all employees involved are on non-working time."
Here "all employees" refers only to those "involved".
Incorrect. He gave the book to several employees, at least three of whom didn't want it and found it offensive.
Get the facts straight.
You are an idiot who clearly does not know what solicit means.
so·lic·it
səˈlisit/
verb
verb: solicit; 3rd person present: solicits; past tense: solicited; past participle: solicited; gerund or present participle: soliciting
ask for or try to obtain (something) from someone.
"he called a meeting to solicit their views"
synonyms: ask for, request, seek, apply for, put in for, call for, press for, beg, plead for More
"Phil tried to solicit his help"
ask, petition, importune, implore, plead with, entreat, appeal to, lobby, beg, supplicate, call on, press;
literarybeseech
"they are solicited for their opinions"
ask (someone) for something.
"historians and critics are solicited for opinions by the auction houses"
He wasnt soliciting anything to begin with. Giving a book to friends, is not soliciting.
Which is what happened, but that clause is about solicitation, he wasnt soliciting anything to begin with.
You are desperate and grasping at straws, that passage is stating that you can only solicit on your breaks.
Soliciting never happened to begin with. :doh:
This would only apply if he was selling his books at work, he wasnt.
Jose Fly
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Geez you guys...."Solicitation and Distribution Activities"
The policies are about both solicitation and distribution. Hard to believe you need that pointed out to you.
The policies are about both solicitation and distribution. Hard to believe you need that pointed out to you.
Giving a couple of friends a copy of his own book is not distribution either. Weird that you need that pointed out to you.
Distrubution goes along with solicitation, he was not recruiting, or soliciting anything, you sir are a moron.
Jose Fly
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Again get the facts straight. At least 3 of the people he gave it to didn't want it and found it offensive.
If I give out religious pamphlets, I'm distributing them. If I try and get people to buy them for a price, I'm soliciting.
Funny how freely you Christians call people retards, idiots, and morons. Says a lot about your faith.
Jose Fly
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The Atlanta Journal Constitution has obtained a copy of the City's internal investigation report. Some of the key findings...
The next part makes it clear that Cochran's beliefs didn't seem to influence his disciplinary actions. However...
But all that is why he was suspended. A part of his suspension was that he wasn't supposed to discuss the case publicly while on suspension. Instead, Cochran went directly to the public and tried to make himself a martyr. So they fired him, in part for this insubordination.
So Cochran only spoke to one city employee about the book, and she wasn't in any sort of position of authority to grant authorization. Additionally, he didn't ask permission from, or even inform, his supervisor (the mayor) to publish a book using his title as Fire Chief.
So at least 3 of his employees didn't want the book.
The next part makes it clear that Cochran's beliefs didn't seem to influence his disciplinary actions. However...
IOW, he publicly embarrassed the City of Atlanta Fire Department.
But all that is why he was suspended. A part of his suspension was that he wasn't supposed to discuss the case publicly while on suspension. Instead, Cochran went directly to the public and tried to make himself a martyr. So they fired him, in part for this insubordination.
dude, you're a retard :idunno:
faith's got nothing to do with it
you'd realize that if you weren't such a ....well, you know
only a retard would think that "the book was given to them without a request on their part" means the same as "didn't want the book" :darwinsm:
Um... it bothered them enough to make them file a complaint with the department. Geez.
you know who filed the complaint?
cite?
Yes, technically he's a supervisor and the people he gave it to are subordinates, but I'm pointing to spirit of it. Labeling it as a supervisor giving reading material to subordinates implies to me that it was unwanted or that he was giving it to them as their supervisor. Whereas I was talking about a scenario in which he wasn't giving anything to them as their supervisor, he was giving people a book as a fellow Christian with whom he had some level of relationship. Now, other reports are saying that he didn't only give it to people under those circumstances and that would be more problematic. However, my point is that a supervisor giving an employee a book isn't, by itself, a problem. More info is needed.
:idunno: You brought up him treating gay employees unequally and I was responding to that. I'm not saying he absolutely didn't do anything wrong. If you think his treatment of his employees doesn't matter then I'm not sure why you brought it up.
Jose Fly
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Jose Fly
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That's exactly what the report says, i. e., that he gave it to employees who didn't request it or want it.
No I didn't. The closest was my reference to his book potentially giving gays the impression that the City of Atlanta wouldn't treat them equally. But even then, that's not why he was fired.
ok.
"Not only that, what if any of his employees are gay? At their place of employment, he's just given out his own book where he equates them with pedophiles and people who have sex with animals. I don't think those employees would feel he was going to treat them equally. "
lain: So I suppose what you actually mentioned is employees thinking he wouldn't treat them equally. But my point still stands. He has a work history that should serve to confirm or deny their fears. Unless he's never had any openly gay employees so there wouldn't be a clear history.
I never said that's why he was fired.