Fiona Hill: "The president was trying to stage a coup"

annabenedetti

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I am talking about political bias in appoints to the bench and the democrats want judges appointed who are deeply biased and committed to leftist democrat ideas, ideals, views, policies, and agendas. The democrats are not satisfied with the current court's make-up which is why they want to expand the court with additional leftist democrat judges who will faithfully support the democrat agenda by ruling by democrat bias.

Which has nothing to do with overthrowing the election, attacking the capitol, Ginni Thomas' role in it or Clarence Thomas' conflict of interest.
 

marke

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Silly, all we know right now is that Ginni Thomas was actively trying to enable the overthrow of the election at the very least through her communications with Trump's chief of staff, and coincidentally, Thomas was the lone dissent in allowing Trump's communications to be made available to the Jan. 6 commission. Like everyone else, I'm waiting to see what happens next.
What were her words? "Overthrow the election?" "Do something about the clear voter fraud?" Something else? Why do you think she was wrong to speak out against voter fraud?
 

marke

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So your answer is no, tens of millions of Americans did NOT text the president's chief of staff ideas on how to overthrow the election.
Why should tens of millions of Americans text Trump's chief of staff about democrat voter fraud? Why not take to the streets like democrat protesters do to let their displeasure be known?
 

marke

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Which has nothing to do with overthrowing the election, attacking the capitol, Ginni Thomas' role in it or Clarence Thomas' conflict of interest.
The ones who were involved for years with stealing the election and overthrowing the Trump administration have been violent leftist democrat activists.
 

marke

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Have you read what she texted?
Here is what I have read thus far with my comments in red.


Texts We've Seen (So Far)

Between November 5, 2020, and January 10, 2021, Ginni Thomas sent Meadows 21 texts that are now publicly available. Meadows sent her eight. Here are a few highlights:

November 6: "Do not concede. It takes time for the army who is gathering for his back [sic]." Challenging an election and refusing to concede is not wrong, as has been demonstrated by many democrat election losers in the past.

November 10: "Help This Greatest President stand firm, Mark!... You are the leader, with him, who is standing for America's constitutional governance at the precipice. The majority knows Biden and the Left is attempting the greatest Heist of our History." Trump was a great president and democrats did steal the 2020 election by fraud.

November 13: "Sidney Powell & improved coordination now will help the cavalry come and Fraud exposed and America saved." (Sidney Powell was Mike Flynn's attorney and a conspiracy theorist pursuing Trump's bogus voter fraud claims throughout the country. None succeeded.) Trump's reference to voter fraud in 2020 was not bogus.

November 19: "Sounds like Sidney and her team are getting inundated with evidence of fraud. Make a plan. Release the Kraken and save us from the left taking America down… You guys fold, the evil just moves fast down underneath you all." (After the election, the far right used "Release the Kraken" as a catchphrase. It referred to the exposure of a massive voter fraud conspiracy that would have the force of a "Kraken" —a mythical giant sea monster.) Ginni offered moral support to those in the Trump administration who were under constant attack by anti-American democrat activists who stole the 2020 election by fraud. God bless her for her encouragement.
 

ok doser

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Here is what I have read thus far with my comments in red.


Texts We've Seen (So Far)

Between November 5, 2020, and January 10, 2021, Ginni Thomas sent Meadows 21 texts that are now publicly available. Meadows sent her eight. Here are a few highlights:

November 6: "Do not concede. It takes time for the army who is gathering for his back [sic]." Challenging an election and refusing to concede is not wrong, as has been demonstrated by many democrat election losers in the past.

November 10: "Help This Greatest President stand firm, Mark!... You are the leader, with him, who is standing for America's constitutional governance at the precipice. The majority knows Biden and the Left is attempting the greatest Heist of our History." Trump was a great president and democrats did steal the 2020 election by fraud.

November 13: "Sidney Powell & improved coordination now will help the cavalry come and Fraud exposed and America saved." (Sidney Powell was Mike Flynn's attorney and a conspiracy theorist pursuing Trump's bogus voter fraud claims throughout the country. None succeeded.) Trump's reference to voter fraud in 2020 was not bogus.

November 19: "Sounds like Sidney and her team are getting inundated with evidence of fraud. Make a plan. Release the Kraken and save us from the left taking America down… You guys fold, the evil just moves fast down underneath you all." (After the election, the far right used "Release the Kraken" as a catchphrase. It referred to the exposure of a massive voter fraud conspiracy that would have the force of a "Kraken" —a mythical giant sea monster.) Ginni offered moral support to those in the Trump administration who were under constant attack by anti-American democrat activists who stole the 2020 election by fraud. God bless her for her encouragement.
I'm not seeing the one that says "put on funny Buffalo hats and act like you're at a fraternity kegger"
 

annabenedetti

like marbles on glass
Here is what I have read thus far with my comments in red.


Texts We've Seen (So Far)

Between November 5, 2020, and January 10, 2021, Ginni Thomas sent Meadows 21 texts that are now publicly available. Meadows sent her eight. Here are a few highlights:

November 6: "Do not concede. It takes time for the army who is gathering for his back [sic]." Challenging an election and refusing to concede is not wrong, as has been demonstrated by many democrat election losers in the past.

November 10: "Help This Greatest President stand firm, Mark!... You are the leader, with him, who is standing for America's constitutional governance at the precipice. The majority knows Biden and the Left is attempting the greatest Heist of our History." Trump was a great president and democrats did steal the 2020 election by fraud.

November 13: "Sidney Powell & improved coordination now will help the cavalry come and Fraud exposed and America saved." (Sidney Powell was Mike Flynn's attorney and a conspiracy theorist pursuing Trump's bogus voter fraud claims throughout the country. None succeeded.) Trump's reference to voter fraud in 2020 was not bogus.

November 19: "Sounds like Sidney and her team are getting inundated with evidence of fraud. Make a plan. Release the Kraken and save us from the left taking America down… You guys fold, the evil just moves fast down underneath you all." (After the election, the far right used "Release the Kraken" as a catchphrase. It referred to the exposure of a massive voter fraud conspiracy that would have the force of a "Kraken" —a mythical giant sea monster.) Ginni offered moral support to those in the Trump administration who were under constant attack by anti-American democrat activists who stole the 2020 election by fraud. God bless her for her encouragement.

You're deceiving yourself. You're literally supplying proof she was exhorting Meadows (and by extension, Trump) not to concede the election and to insert Trump back into an office he'd already lost, and then you're denying that's what she actually did. I can't help you with your delusion.
 

marke

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You're deceiving yourself. You're literally supplying proof she was exhorting Meadows (and by extension, Trump) not to concede the election and to insert Trump back into an office he'd already lost, and then you're denying that's what she actually did. I can't help you with your delusion.
If investigations had been conducted the fraud would have been uncovered and Trump would have been proven to have won the election. Why should not Trump have been reinstated if investigations had shown he was the legitimate winner of the 2020 election?
 

Idolater

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If investigations had been conducted the fraud would have been uncovered and Trump would have been proven to have won the election.
President Trump 'had his day in court', multiple times. It was fair.
Why should not Trump have been reinstated if investigations had shown he was the legitimate winner of the 2020 election?
He should have, if that was the result.
 

marke

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President Trump 'had his day in court', multiple times. It was fair.

He should have, if that was the result.
President Trump was falsely accused and tried by democrats after they suspended his constitutional rights and due process, but no court was willing to involve itself in the massive voter fraud scandal of 2020.
 

Idolater

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President Trump was falsely accused and tried by democrats after they suspended his constitutional rights and due process, but no court was willing to involve itself in the massive voter fraud scandal of 2020.
The Supreme Court did, and other courts, lots of courts heard cases on the election. If the evidence was there then President Trump would have won. He (rightly) made sure to get 'his day in court'.
 

marke

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The Supreme Court did, and other courts, lots of courts heard cases on the election. If the evidence was there then President Trump would have won. He (rightly) made sure to get 'his day in court'.
The courts heard what the leftist obstructionists wanted them to hear but democrats "fought like hell" to keep serious investigations into the voter fraud from being successful.

Here is what Trump said in a speech he was giving while paid rioters invaded the Capitol on Jan in order to stop the scheduled congressional investigation into voter fraud that was to be held that day:

  • “And we fight. We fight like hell And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”
  • “All of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen by emboldened radical-left Democrats, which is what they’re doing … We will never give up, we will never concede. It doesn’t happen. You don’t concede when there’s theft involved.”
  • “Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore and that’s what this is all about … We will stop the steal.”
  • “Because you’ll never take back our country with weakness, you have to show strength and you have to be strong.”
Patriotic Americans "fight like hell" to preserve the Union while leftist agitators "fight like hell" to steal the power to destroy the union in the false name of "progress."
 

marke

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The Trump/Russian conspiracy theory turned out to be a lie invented by democrats to hurt Trump and help Hillary in the 2016 election. That has been proven. The issue of democrat voter fraud in 2020 has not been irrefutably proven nor disproven. Those two facts alone should cause all Americans to reject the democrat party until there is some sort of apology from their officers for their lies connected to crooked tricks designed to steal elections.


The Federal Election Commission has fined Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee for failing to disclose campaign spending that ended up in the pocket of Christopher Steele, the former British spy who authored a Russian-based dossier to damage Donald Trump.

The FEC fined Mrs. Clinton’s campaign $8,000 and levied a heftier punishment on the DNC, which must pay a $105,000 penalty.
 
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Idolater

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The courts heard what the leftist obstructionists wanted them to hear but democrats "fought like hell" to keep serious investigations into the voter fraud from being successful.

Here is what Trump said in a speech he was giving while paid rioters invaded the Capitol on Jan in order to stop the scheduled congressional investigation into voter fraud that was to be held that day:

  • “And we fight. We fight like hell And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”
  • “All of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen by emboldened radical-left Democrats, which is what they’re doing … We will never give up, we will never concede. It doesn’t happen. You don’t concede when there’s theft involved.”
  • “Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore and that’s what this is all about … We will stop the steal.”
  • “Because you’ll never take back our country with weakness, you have to show strength and you have to be strong.”
Patriotic Americans "fight like hell" to preserve the Union while leftist agitators "fight like hell" to steal the power to destroy the union in the false name of "progress."
The former president had every opportunity and he took every opportunity to bring cases before judges, and there wasn't any obstruction of President Trump's right to plead his case, in any way that he and his attorneys and strategists wanted to attempt. They exhausted all of their ideas, and they were never denied a chance to get before a judge. It was all fair.

I wish he would have won reelection, I supported him. The votes cast were legit under the extraordinary rules in place at the time, which did favor Democrats, but they had every opportunity to make the case that he lost the election because he was denied a not irregular election, which he could have argued was his right, which would have been violated, but that's not how they chose to litigate it.
 

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The issue of democrat voter fraud in 2020 has not been irrefutably proven
If the claim that the 2020 election was stolen by democrat voter fraud has not been proven as you admit, then you have no right to assert that it was stolen. Yet you do assert that on a daily basis, which means that by your own admission you are a liar.
 
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