Faith to believe on Christ !

[FineLinen]

1 Tim. 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially [Gr. malista] of those that believe.

The word specially or especially is actually the qualifier of who God in Christ is a Saviour unto: particularly to God's Elect who have been given Faith to Believe on Christ in New Birth Gal. 5:22 whether jew or gentile.

Nonsense!

God is [the] Saviour of all mankind! He is not only monon/monos the Saviour of the elect: He is the Saviour of all mankind. He is not a potential Saviour: He is the Saviour of all mankind!

But wait: there is more

He is the Saviour "especially/malista" of those who believe/ trust in Him!

Command this & teach this!

 

[Nanja]

Nonsense!

God is [the] Saviour of all mankind! He is not only monon/monos the Saviour of the elect: He is the Saviour of all mankind. He is not a potential Saviour: He is the Saviour of all mankind!

But wait: there is more

He is the Saviour "especially/malista" of those who believe/ trust in Him!

Command this & teach this!

Christ is not the savior of the devil's children Mat. 13:38; John 8:44; which were already condemned John 3:18, 36; the wicked He Created to be destroyed Prov. 16:4 !

 

[God's Truth]

Christ is not the savior of the devil's children Mat. 13:38; John 8:44; which were already condemned John 3:18, 36; the wicked He Created to be destroyed Prov. 16:4 !

WE WERE ALL bound to disobedience and condemned!

ALL are n the SAME PLACE and have to get saved the same way and that is by believing and obeying Jesus.

 

[God's Truth]

Romans 11:32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

John 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.

John 5:24
Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment. Indeed, he has crossed over from death to life.

 

[Nanja]

WE WERE ALL bound to disobedience and condemned!

ALL are n the SAME PLACE and have to get saved the same way and that is by believing and obeying Jesus.

Completely False GT !


None of those who had an Eternal Union with Christ Eph. 1:4 have ever been condemned by God save in their Covenant Head and Surety Christ Jesus Heb. 7:22; 2 Cor. 5:19, because their sins were imputed to Him Is. 53:6 and His Righteousness imputed to them Rom. 5:19b !

But anyone who is condemned by God John 3:18, 36; Mat. 13:38; Jude 1:4 cannot be saved, for that's why they are condemned because there's no possibility of salvation for them ever.


Paul speaking to the Church of God in Corinth, sanctified In Christ Jesus, and called to be saints 1 Cor. 1:2 says:

1 Cor. 11:32
But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world [in the Day of Judgment].

Rom. 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Rom. 4:7-8
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

 

[God's Truth]

Completely False GT !


None of those who had an Eternal Union with Christ Eph. 1:4 have ever been condemned by God save in their Covenant Head and Surety Christ Jesus Heb. 7:22; 2 Cor. 5:19, because their sins were imputed to Him Is. 53:6 and His Righteousness imputed to them Rom. 5:19b !

But anyone who is condemned by God John 3:18, 36; Mat. 13:38; Jude 1:4 cannot be saved, for that's why they are condemned because there's no possibility of salvation for them ever.


Paul speaking to the Church of God in Corinth, sanctified In Christ Jesus, and called to be saints 1 Cor. 1:2 says:

1 Cor. 11:32
But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world [in the Day of Judgment].

Rom. 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Rom. 4:7-8
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

You have no understanding.

Those who believed and obeyed Jesus when he walked the earth...those are the ones who would eventually be saved.

Many Samaritans Believe

39And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did. 40So when the Samaritans were come unto him, they besought him that he would tarry with them: and he abode there two days. 41And many more believed because of his own word; 42And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.



Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans.

 

[Ktoyou]

1 Tim. 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially [Gr. malista] of those that believe.

The word specially or especially is actually the qualifier of who God in Christ is a Saviour unto: particularly to God's Elect who have been given Faith to Believe on Christ in New Birth Gal. 5:22 whether jew or gentile.

This starts problems. When you say God does not choose someone and because of God's choice, they are damned, then one looks for another faith. such as the JW's because the unsaved do not go to hell. Telling anyone they are damned at birth is going to cause the person , damned, to look elsewhere for his/her faith.

 

[Nanja]

You have no understanding.

Those who believed and obeyed Jesus when he walked the earth...

Many Samaritans Believe

39And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did. 40So when the Samaritans were come unto him, they besought him that he would tarry with them: and he abode there two days. 41And many more believed because of his own word; 42And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

Your disinterest in the corresponding scriptures I posted bears evidence of a blinded heart, void of Spiritual Life !

Eph. 4:18
Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

 

[God's Truth]

Your disinterest in the corresponding scriptures I posted bears evidence of a blinded heart, void of Spiritual Life !

Eph. 4:18
Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

I just proved to you with scriptures that Jesus came first for those who already belonged to God by obedience and faith---but that he would come back to the others, by way of the Holy Spirit, to those who would came to believe and obey.

 

[God's Truth]

Jesus says first NOT TO go to the Samaritans and the Gentiles---then Jesus says he will save them.

Think about it.

John Calvin is wrong.

Believe in what Jesus says.

 

[Ktoyou]

Your disinterest in the corresponding scriptures I posted bears evidence of a blinded heart, void of Spiritual Life !

Eph. 4:18
Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

Not really. Se has unusual beliefs, yet has a belief in God, however, in her own way, such as not believing Jesus is God.

 

[Nanja]

I just proved to you with scriptures that Jesus came first for those who already belonged to God by obedience and faith---but that he would come back to the others, by way of the Holy Spirit, to those who would came to believe and obey.

By nature, Spiritually dead people can have faith in Christ / God, but it's a dead faith, exactly like the faith / believing that the devils have James 2:19; Mat. 8:28-29.

So no man has the ability to believe on Him as it pertains to Salvation, that's why those that teach such are false teachers.


It's only the Belief / Faith which is a Fruit of the Spirit Gal. 5:22 that has the ability to please God.


Rom. 8:5-8

5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

 

[God's Truth]

By nature, Spiritually dead people can have faith in Christ / God, but it's a dead faith, exactly like the faith / believing that the devils have James 2:19; Mat. 8:28-29.

Those scriptures don't say that.
James says that we have to believe and do something, and that even demons believe and do something. We are to be better than demons not worse than demons.

So no man has the ability to believe on Him as it pertains to Salvation, that's why those that teach such are false teachers.

Everyone has the ability to believe.

It's only the Belief / Faith which is a Fruit of the Spirit Gal. 5:22 that has the ability to please God.

Those scriptures are about goodness increased.

There are wicked people who love and find enjoyment in their wickedness.

Would you like to talk about this more?

Rom. 8:5-8

5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Those scriptures are about how people who don't want to stop pleasing their flesh will not come to God and repent.

 

[Nanja]

Those scriptures don't say that.
James says that we have to believe and do something, and that even demons believe and do something. We are to be better than demons not worse than demons.


Everyone has the ability to believe.



Those scriptures are about goodness increased.

There are wicked people who love and find enjoyment in their wickedness.

Would you like to talk about this more?


Those scriptures are about how people who don't want to stop pleasing their flesh will not come to God and repent.

The Truths from the Spirit of God, the Scriptures, cannot be discerned or accepted by the natural man [in darkness]; not born again / born of the Spirit:

John 1:5
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

2 Cor. 4:3-4

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


1 Cor 2:12-14

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[God's Truth]

The Truths from the Spirit of God, the Scriptures, cannot be discerned or accepted by the natural man [in darkness]; not born again / born of the Spirit:

John 1:5
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

2 Cor. 4:3-4

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


1 Cor 2:12-14

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The natural man is about the man who wants to please only his flesh; but we are flesh and spirit, and some people are more spiritual and they want to search out things of the spirit and not the flesh.

Those who want more of the spiritual, they hear about God and Jesus and they come to the light and are saved.

 

[MennoSota]

The natural man is about the man who wants to please only his flesh; but we are flesh and spirit, and some people are more spiritual and they want to search out things of the spirit and not the flesh.

Those who want more of the spiritual, they hear about God and Jesus and they come to the light and are saved.

Romans 3:10-12
[10]As the Scriptures say, “No one is righteous— not even one.
[11]No one is truly wise; no one is seeking God.
[12]All have turned away; all have become useless. No one does good, not a single one.”

 

[God's Truth]

Romans 3:10-12
[10]As the Scriptures say, “No one is righteous— not even one.
[11]No one is truly wise; no one is seeking God.
[12]All have turned away; all have become useless. No one does good, not a single one.”

That scripture is where Paul quotes the old testament scriptures explaining that no one is so righteous to where they have not ever sinned even once.

Paul says what he does so as to explain to the Gentiles why they are now included in salvation, and how the Jews have to go through Jesus too---because none are so righteous that they have not ever sinned.

Go read the old testament where Paul is quoting from, and read all of Romans 3.

 

[Nanja]

The natural man is about the man who wants to please only his flesh; but we are flesh and spirit, and some people are more spiritual and they want to search out things of the spirit and not the flesh.

Those who want more of the spiritual, they hear about God and Jesus and they come to the light and are saved.

Wrong again !

The natural man is one who is in a lost state, not Born of the Spirit of God.

And no, he can't hear God's Words John 8:43,47, nor come to Him John 6:44

NOTHING the natural man [unregenerate / not born again] does pleases God: i.e. his own believing, seeking the things of God, hearing John 8:43, 47 etc. are all useless [filthy Is. 64:6] works of the flesh that cannot please God.

That's what Rom. 8:8 means.

Salvation in Christ has to do with a remnant of the Election of Grace being Chosen in Him to have remission of sins Eph.1:4-7 according to God's Purpose and Grace which was given them before the world began 2 Tim. 1:9.

 

[MennoSota]

That scripture is where Paul quotes the old testament scriptures explaining that no one is so righteous to where they have not ever sinned even once.

Paul says what he does so as to explain to the Gentiles why they are now included in salvation, and how the Jews have to go through Jesus too---because none are so righteous that they have not ever sinned.

Go read the old testament where Paul is quoting from, and read all of Romans 3.

GT, you are desperately trying to explain away and then add the law to grace.

 

[beloved57]

Nanja

The word specially or especially is actually the qualifier of who God in Christ is a Saviour unto:particularly to God's Elect who have been given Faith to Believe on Christ in New Birth Gal. 5:22 whether jew or gentile.

Amen Sister, if Paul would have Just made the blanket statement "who is the Saviour of all men" it would be a little more justified to argue that Paul means all men without exception, yet even if it was said like that the spiritually taught person would know that's a faulty interpretation, for its plain from not all men shall be saved. To say God in Christ is the Savior of lost men is a contradiction.

Christ is not the savior of the devil's children Mat. 13:38; John 8:44; which were already condemned John 3:18, 36; the wicked He Created to be destroyed Prov. 16:4 !

Absolutely correct 2 Pet 2:12

¹² But these, as natural brute beasts, made[born] to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;