excellent example of MADism:

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clefty

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john w said:
Changing your story. Nice.
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Oh yeah? you like it now? Funny...cuz I didn't change it...


You missed the argument of others, as usual-"repent of sins" to be justified.
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Ummm nope...Again what He did provides for all...even as sinners...but at some point they must accept it accept what was done and that they need it...what He did was complete what you do is not...

Kinda like the tree of life...there...but ya gotta eat of it...eating of it doesn't mean you planted or grew it...you did nothing at all for it to be there...


Pay attention.
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what to you? Hard to do with so many magic tricks and roaring animals and funny clowns in this circus of the MAD...but I will try to focus more on you...on stage in the spotlight helps...



Oh. Tell me something that I do not know. Please teach me...Please?
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Well if you knew that then duh we are not saved by works...but by belief and double duh that salvation was provided while we were still in Egypt...

We wish to do the works keep the law because we are already saved...you miss that all the time...

And our gratitude means we merely wish to be MORE like not less like Him His ways...and well Loving as He does continue to fulfill the Law which points out when we don't...at which point we accept and with Him change not merely deny and claim grace allows killing oh I don't know what is the count now? 605?


More babbling-quite irrelevant to the issue at hand.
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Lol...don't be shy of new answers you have no clever retorts to...give it some time I am sure you can come up with more ad Homs to the messenger of the message you dispose...ha spell check...meant to say despise but dispose works too...



No such thing as "luck," as the LORD God is in control. Only the heathen, talk like that. You talk like them. Oh, yes...."dat."
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here's to hoping the lots you caste are in your favor you might however need a trip over the side of the boat...

Jonah too rejected faith's obligation to do...not just believe


More irrelevant spam.
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or the example foreshadowing a salvation prior repentance...


Sit.
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have been...watching from the judge's box...you're getting big points on style and passion...keep the show going
 
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clefty

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john w said:
More psycho babble, IMO......

For the babes/sheep, to protect them from this moron...

"Traditional" Christianity has it backward, since they refuse to rightly divide this word of truth. After being justified by being baptized into Christ, and being new creatures in Christ, with eternal life, having been raised, ascended, and seated in heavenly places in Christ Jesus(up), "religion" wants to "bury" you(down) you under the element of water , which, as part of the earth, is under a curse, by being dunked until the tadpoles know your social security number.


Water baptism, throughout the OT/NT, was never viewed as "Death/Burial/ & Resurrection."


Baptism - changing the condition, identity, of something because of an action that was performed.; placing or putting something into another substance and performing an action so that it will change the state of the item from its previous condition-it's condition, status, or identity is changed!

Baptism- the idea of being placed into something (the Lord Jesus Christ's death in this dispensation), and an action is performed, so that when we come out we are changed from our previous condition. It is all about our identification; God takes what we are in Adam and places us into the Lord Jesus Christ, and God's action (crucifying the old man) changes our condition- now we are" in Christ." We are no longer what we were in Adam, because God has done something to us and in us. Our previous condition has been changed because of what God has done:

" Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead." Colossians 2:12

Buried with Him-not like Him.


" Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: {6} Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin." Romans 6:3-6
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Again:Baptism- 'to change the nature, identity, condition, status, and to IDENTIFY something with its purpose.. For example, Homer, in his book "The Odyssey", desribes the tempering of a sword. When the hot metal was plunged into water, the sword was "baptized" , and thus the change in the condition of the sword was from soft to hard metal. As another example, when a piece of cloth was placed into a dye vat for coloring, there was a change in the condition of the piece of cloth upon emergence from the vat-it had a new color.

Where is the water?

" But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able. And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father. " Mt. 20:22,23

"And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father. And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized with shall ye be baptized". Mk 10:38,39

"And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized:" Luke 12:50
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People assume baptism means "water". I can show you other passages where there is no water. There was no water on the cross. The basic idea is IDENTIFICATION for the purpose of change in condition/identity/status. Did you know that in biblical times, to dye a piece of cloth, you would "baptize" it, "overwhelm" it, "cover" it, in a vat of dye. The cloth would now have a "change in condition", a new "identity". The element was dye here. Look at:


Again..

"And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea...." 1 Cor. 10:2

They were identified with Moses. Also note Exodus 14:16, 22="dry ground", Exodus 14:29,15:19="dry land". No water! The Egyptians were wet, not the Israelites.


The basic idea behind the concept of baptism is identification=placing or putting something into another substance, performing an action, with the resulting purpose of a change in the state of the item from its previous condition=change in identity, change in condition, change in status.

Symbol? No one was buried in water. The Lord Jesus Christ was not buried in a liquid grave, but in rocks, and buried when dead. In contrast, the "dry baptismal" candidate is buried as soon as he has received life!
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Wow nice...lots going here in this circus...

But take it up with Paul...he gave the analogy of Israel passing through the sea to be baptized unto Moses...oh and note that Moses went through with them...

Going in as slaves from Egypt...to die/transform...and coming out "free" on way to the promise land...but they had to follow...not just believe but take that first step...ironically into what many thought was certain actual death...the desert...

So after all that...baptize still just means to be more like Him not less...live and love as He did...that does fulfill the Law...
 
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clefty said:
Wow nice...lots here...

But take it up with Paul...he gave the analogy of Israel passing through the sea to be baptized unto Moses...

Going in as slaves from Egypt...to die/transform...and coming out "free" on way to the promise land...
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You have the "Sarcasm" down, however, you lack the wisdom, knowledge, and discernment to go along with it.
 
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john w said:
Shut up, you moron. Anyone can say "I gave you scriptures from Paul too."



You couldn't prove that, if Paul appeared to you, idiot.


Mark 10:45 KJV
For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Vs.



1 Timothy 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.


You, after your 666th shot of Johnny Walker Red: It says the same thing.

You're a moron.
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So 'all' isn't 'many'? LOL
 
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God's Truth said:
John the baptizer prepared the way for Jesus.
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That He should be made manifest to who?
He came preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins (Luke 1:76-80).
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remission not forgiveness

Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
Mark 1:2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
Mark 1:3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
Mark 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.


We are still to confess that we are sinners, and to repent, to prepare the way for Jesus Christ to live in our heart.
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What a load. Their being baptized of John in the river of Jordan was them "confessing their sins".

Mark 1:5 And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.

That has NOTHING to do with the gospel by which we are saved or what the requirements are to be saved today.
 
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heir said:
That He should be made manifest to who?remission not forgiveness

Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
Mark 1:2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
Mark 1:3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
Mark 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.


What a load. Their being baptized of John in the river of Jordan was them "confessing their sins".

Mark 1:5 And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.

That has NOTHING to do with the gospel by which we are saved or what the requirements are to be saved today.
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Amen Heir. Blessings and Love from GM.
 
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Might I draw a conclusion? Well, here goes: The Mid-Acts Dispensationalists ARE the Conservatives of the religious world here on TOL, while the rest are the far left liberals of religion on TOL. You can see what damage the far left liberals are causing in this Nation. You can also see the damage the liberal religious posters are causing on this site. Just a humble, yet, accurate comparison.
 
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heir said:
That He should be made manifest to who?remission not forgiveness

Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
Mark 1:2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
Mark 1:3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
Mark 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.


What a load. Their being baptized of John in the river of Jordan was them "confessing their sins".

Mark 1:5 And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.

That has NOTHING to do with the gospel by which we are saved or what the requirements are to be saved today.
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New to all this MADMess it would help me for you to not just state something is not...but please include what it is for you and yours...
 
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Grosnick Marowbe said:
Might I draw a conclusion? Well, here goes: The Mid-Acts Dispensationalists ARE the Conservatives of the religious world here on TOL, while the rest are the far left liberals of religion on TOL. You can see what damage the far left liberals are causing in this Nation. You can also see the damage the liberal religious posters are causing on this site. Just a humble, yet, accurate comparison.
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Conserving what? A heresy as the inquisition did with similar approach I might add or conserveing what the Zionists do and with similar tactics...

No surprise the Nazis were agreeable to both...
 
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clefty said:
Conserving what? A heresy as the inquisition did with similar approach I might add or conserveing what the Zionists do and with similar tactics...

No surprise the Nazis were agreeable to both...
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I don't understand what you're TRYING to say?? Please try and post a coherent comment next time.
 
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