Does God Decieve?

[Arthur Brain]

what makes you think you were?

Well, unless there's something missing in the 'small print' somewhere, then acknowledging one's own sin, sincerely repenting for it and acknowledging Jesus as Lord would seem to fit the bill. Sure does in most Christian circles.

 

[ok doser]

Well, unless there's something missing in the 'small print' somewhere, then acknowledging one's own sin, sincerely repenting for it and acknowledging Jesus as Lord would seem to fit the bill. Sure does in most Christian circles.

so you think you covered all the bases, did all the required work and thus had earned salvation? :nono:


which brings us back to:

my answer would be "no, you weren't saved"

i know it, you know it

you know it in your heart

it's a large part of why you're angry at God - you think He owes you something you've earned :nono:

 

[Arthur Brain]

so you think you covered all the bases, did all the required work and thus had earned salvation?


which brings us back to:

No, not at all. I didn't think I'd "earned" anything whatsoever. Not sure how you equate honest repentance, asking for forgiveness and acknowledging Jesus as Lord is doing anything of the sort.

:AMR:

 

[ok doser]

No, not at all. I didn't think I'd "earned" anything whatsoever.

:think:

Well, unless there's something missing in the 'small print' somewhere....

you thought you'd found the formula and followed it and were disappointed when it didn't work

 

[ok doser]

which brings us back to this unanswered question:

I repented and fervently asked the Lord to forgive me of all of my sins. I was sincere, was baptised in water (however important that is) and meant it.

and yet you still weren't saved, were you?

Sure I was.

what makes you think you were?



so far your response has been "because i followed all the right steps"

 

[Arthur Brain]

:think:




you thought you'd found the formula and followed it and were disappointed when it didn't work

"Formula"? For starters, I didn't repent because I wanted to avoid some horrible fate. It wasn't a "turn or burn" moment. I sincerely acknowledged that I sinned, wasn't perfect and asked for forgiveness and God to come into my life. How is that "earning" anything?

I was far from disappointed.

 

[Arthur Brain]

which brings us back to this unanswered question:







what makes you think you were?



so far your response has been "because i followed all the right steps"

Well, no, my response has been that I sincerely repented of my sins and asked God for forgiveness. If someone does that, then are they saved? If so then why? If not then how so?

 

[ok doser]

...my response has been that I sincerely repented of my sins and asked God for forgiveness.

right - those are the right steps you thought you had to follow

If someone does that, then are they saved?

looks like you believe so, looks like you think that's the formula to follow


and if that's the best answer you can give to "what makes you think you were (saved)?".....

....you weren't

 

[Arthur Brain]

right - those are right steps you thought you had to follow



looks like you believe so, looks like you think that's the formula to follow


and if that's the best answer you can give to "what makes you think you were (saved)?".....

....you weren't

So, sincere repentance and asking for forgiveness equates to "following the right steps or formula" to you does it? It wasn't to me. I genuinely acknowledged that I was an imperfect human being who sinned. Does repentance mean nothing to you? If so, you're in no position to judge the salvation of anyone else and you can't even be sure of your own. I've never met any Christian in 'real life' or on a forum even who doesn't consider repentance an integral part of the Christian faith.

 

[ok doser]

So, sincere repentance and asking for forgiveness equates to "following the right steps or formula" to you does it?

you'd have to be retarded to think that's what i wrote

 

[ok doser]

which brings us back to:

and if that's the best answer you can give to "what makes you think you were (saved)?".....

....you weren't

 

[ok doser]

how about it artie?

got a better answer for this?


what makes you think you were saved?

 

[ok doser]

'cause if you don't



you weren't

 

[woodeneye]

right - those are the right steps you thought you had to follow



looks like you believe so, looks like you think that's the formula to follow


and if that's the best answer you can give to "what makes you think you were (saved)?".....

....you weren't

We as people, continue to sin every day, so it only makes sense that it's necessary to continually endure and not give up. This, in turn means that there is no such thing as once saved, always saved. Otherwise, Jesus would not have said " He that endures to the end, will be saved ".

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[ok doser]

We as people, continue to sin every day, so it only makes sense that it's necessary to continually endure and not give up. This, in turn means that there is no such thing as once saved, always saved. Otherwise, Jesus would not have said " He that endures to the end, will be saved ".

i have faith that Christ will gather in all of His strayed sheep, no matter how far they've strayed or how long they've been gone

 

[Arthur Brain]

which brings us back to:

and if that's the best answer you can give to "what makes you think you were (saved)?".....

....you weren't

It doesn't bring "us" back to anything. If I believed that Jesus died for the sins of the world, sincerely acknowledged and repented of my own, asked God for forgiveness and into my life then your "judgement" really means nothing. What makes you think that you're saved? Be specific.

 

[Arthur Brain]

i have faith that Christ will gather in all of His strayed sheep, no matter how far they've strayed or how long they've been gone

Are you a Calvinist?

 

[Right Divider]

We as people, continue to sin every day, so it only makes sense that it's necessary to continually endure and not give up. This, in turn means that there is no such thing as once saved, always saved. Otherwise, Jesus would not have said " He that endures to the end, will be saved ".

Those in the body of Christ are secure. You're very confused about what the Bible says.

 

[ok doser]

It doesn't bring "us" back to anything.

sure it does - it brings us back to the same question you've been dodging all day

what makes you think you were saved?

 

[Arthur Brain]

you'd have to be retarded to think that's what i wrote

Considering I'd outlined sincere repentance a number of times then this is all on you. Nobody asked you to bring up "steps and formulas".