Personally, I don't adhere to either annihilationism nor universalism. That's just me.
Does Calvinism Make God Unjust?
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Personally, I don't adhere to either annihilationism nor universalism. That's just me.
Unfounded accusations seem to be a "hobby" of yours.
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And some 'require' witnessing in order that burning coals may be heaped upon their heads? Do you recall your charming comments in that regard in relation to the 'reprobate'?
If you think fear is something that's required to jump on a bandwagon then been there already AMR as I alluded to with my former church. Manipulation doesn't produce love and to think it does or can is an error on your own part, not that I suspect you'll even consider anything outside of your own rigid set of beliefs and academics.
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Faith without knowledge and assent is not true faith. We cannot divorce faith, knowledge, and assent as they form the three components of faith.
1. Saving faith is childlike but not childish.
2. A person is not justified by a mere profession of faith.
3. Saving faith requires intellectual assent to the truth of the gospel.
4. Saving faith involves a personal trust in and love for Christ.
We can believe that a chair will bear our weight, but we do not exhibit personal trust in the chair until we sit on it. Trust involves the will as well as the mind. To have saving faith requires that we love the truth of the gospel and desire to live it out. We embrace with our hearts the sweetness and loveliness of Christ.
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Good for you, GM!
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You'll notice I basically wouldn't give "The Nangster" the time of day. I perceive her as an angry, accusatory, bitter, cranky, and uncivil Curmudgeon. It would not be in my best interests to sit here and indulge her with a reply.
Do you mean it or are you being disingenuous or perhaps, sarcastic?
Well, you know I know that, nevertheless when one gets old all the thinking is not near as much available, yet the faith is real and really strong!
I used to wonder the same, but now I know she is old and might be that way from being old. We all age differently.
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No, he means it...
I have a feeling Nang has been plagued by those uncivil "personality traits" for most of her life. Just an opinion, of course.
It appears as if you KNOW him rather well.
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Well, well enough to know that like you he believes in eternal torment and has no time for anything outside of that belief.
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As long as you deny there is actually such a person as reprobate you will continue to struggle here. All are born sinners. None are born morally neutral and become sinners when they sin. None born deserve universal mercy, for then the very word has changed. No one wants to live in a world where mercy is obligatorily extended to all malefactors. Think about it and it will come to you.
If you deny the doctrine of Adam's original sin and its consequences, you will also struggle with these matters. Such is the issue with holding to error upon error that will cascade into full-blown heterodoxy and even heresy.
The promiscuous sharing of the Gospel brings shame upon the reprobate, hence the phrase, "heap coals upon their head", per the ancient Egyptian custom in which a person who wanted to show public contrition carried a pan of burning coals on his head. The coals represented the burning pain of his shame and guilt. When believers lovingly share the Good News with all persons, it should bring shame to some people for their hate and animosity of God. Those that truly feel this shame are among the elect. Those that do not are among the reprobate, for the same sun that melts the snow (unregenerated elect), hardens the clay (reprobate).
Understand it now?
AMR
At least he and I share that in common.
There's more than enough evidence of eternal damnation in the Bible.
So far as Universalism goes, Christ paid the price for ALL the sins of humanity, however, not ALL will enter eternal life.
I think he does know and is not among the reprobate. It takes some long time to know,ten years now and he is still here.
A while back I wrestled with the idea of eternal damnation versus annihilation. However, through looking at what the Bible has to say about the subject, arrived at only one conclusion, "Eternal damnation" is the ONLY conclusion. It would feel quite assuring if "annihilation" were true, however, it has no validity in the Bible. Therefore, we must be ever vigilant to share the Gospel with others. Their destination is too horrible to contemplate.