Oh sure, I believe ya. :crackup:
Does Calvinism Make God Unjust?
- Thread starter Robert Pate
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Oh sure, I believe ya. :crackup:
I've heard of him.
popsthebuilder
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Why would I not wish you the best?
Are we to love only ourselves or only out brother? Or are we to love our enemy as well?
Regardless of how you view me, you aren't my enemy. My only enemy is myself.
I don't have to wish you ill just because I don't agree with you on a point.
Peace
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If Calvin didn't embrace the "Grace Gospel" before he died, this verse will apply to him: Revelation 20:12 "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."
These are the unsaved people John saw at the judgment seat.
These are the unsaved people John saw at the judgment seat.
The Body of Christ will stand before Christ and be judged ONLY for their rewards and not condemnation.
Whatever you say.
popsthebuilder
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Could you explain how things being ordained since before the creation of the earth negates grace?
If GOD is all knowing and all powerful then things being destined don't remove grace
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I heard and accepted the "Grace Gospel" back in 1962. Thank God I'm not a Calvinist or any other kind of Cultist.
Calvinists (perhaps, like yourself) believe that God chose before the foundation of the world who He would set aside as the "Elect" and the rest He condemned to eternal damnation. That's not what the Bible teaches. God's Grace is offered to a world of lost sinners by the death and resurrection of Christ and received through those who hear the Gospel and place all their faith in Christ as their Savior. Christ died for the sins of ALL of humanity. (Past, present, and future sins) That's why in Revelation 20:12 it states: "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."
You'll notice it doesn't say: according to their "SINS" In order to receive eternal life though, your faith is the prerequisite. Otherwise, you'll be judged by your works and be cast into the Lake of Fire.
Good to know he has already dealt with Calvinism.
Jesus has victoriously reconciled a world of lost sinners unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:19.
But nothing is ours if we don't receive it. Paul said, "Be ye reconciled to God" 2 Corinthians 5:20. To accept God's offer of reconciliation is to accept and believe upon his Son Jesus Christ.
It's justice that it removes as well as grace, making both terms meaningless.
Calvinists will readily admit that they believe grace to be arbitrary, what most don't realize and what other's realize but ignore is the fact that believing that God's grace is arbitrary means that His justice is as well. Arbitrary justice is a contradiction in terms, as is arbitrary grace and thus both are made up philosophical fantacy.
Evidently, TB wears "Rose colored glasses" when he reads up on the history of John "The Pope of Geneva" Calvin."
Calvinists are quick to say: "You DON'T understand Calvinism!!" According to them, they're the ONLY beings on planet earth that are capable of understanding the so-called, "Truths of Calvinism." No matter how much you know about the history of this "Cult" they will continue to say: "You have not the understanding of Calvinism." (Reformed Theology.)
They are a very PRETENTIOUS lot.
Whether he's right or wrong, I'd prefer that he make the argument. It's way more interesting than making the bald assertion or posting a link to someone else's work.
popsthebuilder
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The elect are to be guides for all. They are to help lead the sheep unto the Father by the way of the Christ through the Holy Spirit.
They aren't to be guiding them to hell.
Your gross neglect of the obvious in favor of casting things in a negative light just because you don't understand them or agree with them is noted.
Peace
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Worthless to the ones Calvinism says GOD refused to allow to believe the good news.