Do you have to believe in the Trinity to be a Christian?

drbrumley

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What does scripture say?

Matthew 16:13-17King James Version (KJV)
13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.​

Do you believe this?

Yes I do. Also Luke 1:35 that I referenced yesterday.

And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.” (v. 35)

This verse answers the question who is the Christ as well. Now I am gonna go out on the limb here and say I know you think this verse defends your position. So I helped you out.
 

meshak

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That's right. But let's continue reading farther...

1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

this is questionable verse. It is out of the context with Jesus' word.
 

oatmeal

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We can forgive sins committed against US
Only God can forgive sins committed against God


...got it now?

Oh, well then, please point out in that record where sins against God or sins against US is specifically stated?

Since you cannot, you, as your manner is, point that out because you did not bother to read the scripture and its context. You cannot point it out because that information is not given.

Have you ever considered reading scripture before spouting off your opinions?

As far as I can tell, you rarely bother with scripture.

Shame on you!

Mark 2:1-12

And again he entered into Capernaum after some days; and it was noised that he was in the house.

2 And straightway many were gathered together, insomuch that there was no room to receive them, no, not so much as about the door: and he preached the word unto them.

3 And they come unto him, bringing one sick of the palsy, which was borne of four.

4 And when they could not come nigh unto him for the press, they uncovered the roof where he was: and when they had broken it up, they let down the bed wherein the sick of the palsy lay.

5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.

6 But there was certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts,

7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?

8 And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts?

9 Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk?

10 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)

11 I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house.

12 And immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went forth before them all; insomuch that they were all amazed, and glorified God, saying, We never saw it on this fashion.
 

oatmeal

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That's right. But let's continue reading farther...

1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

If indeed Jesus is God, then God appointed himself heir of all things.

If Jesus is indeed God, then he already had all things, so why appoint himself heir of what he already has?

However, since Jesus is the son of God, not God himself, then it makes sense that God would appoint His son heir of those things that God could pass on to His son.

God is eternal, He is not expected to die, so the son is not appointed heir because the Father is expecting to die.

Oh, Hebrews 1:8

God calls His son god, no surprise.

Just remember Exodus 7:1 KJV God made Moses a god to Pharaoh

Jesus being a prophet like unto Moses, it would sense for Jesus the greatest prophet of all to be referred to as god as well.

Oh, and don't forget that Jesus acknowledges that God calls many men god. John 10:34-35

Who are those men who God calls gods?
 

meshak

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BTW, everyone.

read the OP. this is not about the trinity.

It is about whether believe in doctrine of trinity is requirement for salvation or not.
 

Nick M

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I wonder what the understanding of the thief on the cross was with regard to trinitarian doctrine?

42 Then he said to Jesus, “Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.”

43 And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”


Whose kingdom and how many thrones does it have?
 

drbrumley

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If indeed Jesus is God, then God appointed himself heir of all things.

If Jesus is indeed God, then he already had all things, so why appoint himself heir of what he already has?

However, since Jesus is the son of God, not God himself, then it makes sense that God would appoint His son heir of those things that God could pass on to His son.

God is eternal, He is not expected to die, so the son is not appointed heir because the Father is expecting to die.

Oh, Hebrews 1:8

God calls His son god, no surprise.

Just remember Exodus 7:1 KJV God made Moses a god to Pharaoh

Jesus being a prophet like unto Moses, it would sense for Jesus the greatest prophet of all to be referred to as god as well.

Oh, and don't forget that Jesus acknowledges that God calls many men god. John 10:34-35

Who are those men who God calls gods?

Reading comprehension not a strong suit my friend?

8But unto the Son (Jesus) he (God the Father) saith, Thy (Jesus) throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy(Jesus) kingdom.
 

Nick M

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Then show us where Jesus says He is God.

I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty...And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.

“Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God.

And just for good measure;

Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

14 And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
 

drbrumley

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I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty...And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.

“Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God.

And just for good measure;

Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

14 And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”

BOOM!!!!
 
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